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    Wikia April 23rd Update Banner
    Time until maintenance starts: Time until maintenance ends:

    Maintenance start date and time: April 23rd 2018 14:30
    Expected maintenance end date and time: April 23rd 2018 20:30
    Actual maintenance end date and time: April 23rd 2018 21:10

    Content

    Kancolle 5th Anniversary

    • To celebrate the 5th Anniversary, admirals will be able to obtain from a limited-time Quest the '5th Anniversary Wall scroll'.
    • Additionally many shipgirls including YamatoYamato Banner, MusashiMusashi Banner, NagatoNagato Banner, IseIse Banner and KongouKongou Banner will receive commemorative voicelines.

    New Destroyer Escort 'Samuel B. Roberts

    • The 5th Anniversary Celebratory New Ship Girl John C. Butler-class Destroyer Escort Samuel B. RobertsSamuel B. Roberts Banner has been implemented!
      • She will be obtainable as a reward of the last limited-time quest "5th Anniversary Mission #5: 5th Anniversary Fleet Sortie!".
        • Equipping Samuel B. Roberts (both base and Kai) with an Turbine Improved Kanhon Type TurbineImproved Kanhon Type Turbine 033 Card will let her become a Fast Ship.
          • Unlike the standard Speed System, she does not require a BoilerNew Model High Temperature High Pressure Boiler 087 CardEnhanced Kanhon Type Boiler 034 Card Equipment to become a Fast Ship.
        • Samuel B. Roberts Kai is capable of using OASW without a Sonar SONAR.


    Kagerou Kai Ni Remodel

    Urakaze D Kai Remodel


    Akashi's Improvement Arsenal Update

    NEW!Akashi's Improvement Arsenal: Equipment Tables

    New Equipment

    Development material icon Improvement material icon S M T W T F S Helper Ship
    Consumes: 2x Dual Purpose Gun Icon Simple10cm Twin High-angle Gun Mount 0 10/12 6/7 J
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    Johnston (Kai)
    Samuel B. Roberts (Kai)
    Consumes: 2x Dual Purpose Gun Icon Simple12.7cm Twin High-angle Gun Mount (Late Model) 6 12/18 8/10
    Development material icon Improvement material icon S M T W T F S Helper Ship

    Limited-time CGs

    NEW! Limited time CGs for the following shipgirls:

    Limited-time Server Transfer application

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    • It will be possible to apply for a server transfer until early Summer.
      • Some servers however can't be chosen if the HQ is under certain levels.

    New 5th Anniversary Quests

    ID Requirements FuelAmmunitionSteelBauxite Rewards Note
    5A01 五周年任務【壱:工廠】
    5th Anniversary Mission #1: Arsenal
    Scrap 5 main small caliber guns and 5 main medium caliber guns. 0 / 0 / 500 / 0 choice between
    Development materialX 8
    or
    12cm 30-tube Rocket Launcher 051 Card12cm 30-tube Rocket Launcher12cm 30-tube Rocket Launcher 051 Card X 3
    or
    Shiden Kai 2 055 CardShiden Kai 2Shiden Kai 2 055 Card X 2
    NEXT
    choice between
    Furniture fairyFurniture Fairy X 1
    or
    Item Card New Model Gun Mount Improvement MaterialNew Model Gun Mount Improvement MaterialItem Card New Model Gun Mount Improvement Material X 1
    or
    Reinforcement expansion 064 useitemReinforcement Expansion X 1
    Requires:??
    5A02 五周年任務【弐:鎮守府海域警戒】
    5th Anniversary Mission #2: Naval Base Sea Patrol
    Sortie a fleet including a CL type ship (CL, CLT or CT) as the flagship, three or more DD/DEs to 1-1, 1-2, 1-3, 1-4, 1-5 and achieve a boss node victory. 5000 / 0 / 0 / 0 TsushimaTsushima Banner Requires: 5A01
    5A03 五周年任務【参:近代化改修】
    5th Anniversary Mission #3: Modernisation
    Prepare 555 steel and 555 bauxite, choose any DE and use 5 DDs to modernize her twice. 500 / 0 / 0 / 0 5th Anniversary Wall scrollFurniture: 5th Anniversary Wall scroll
    then choice between
    Instant repair 2 X 10
    or
    Improvement Materials X 5
    or
    Combat Ration 145 Full X 5
    Requires: 5A02
    5A04 五周年任務【肆:演習】
    5th Anniversary Mission #4: Practice
    Use a fleet including 2 DDs and up to 3 additional ships (five ships total) to achieve 4 PVP victories within the same day. 0 / 0 / 0 / 500 choice between
    Type 95 Depth Charge 226 CardType 95 Depth ChargeType 95 Depth Charge 226 Card★+5 X 1
    or
    Food supply ship irako"Irako" X 5
    NEXT
    choice between
    Item Card Action ReportAction ReportItem Card Action Report X 1
    or
    12.7cm Twin Gun Mount Model C Kai 2 266 Card12.7cm Twin Gun Mount Model C Kai 212.7cm Twin Gun Mount Model C Kai 2 266 Card★+5 X 1
    Requires: 5A03
    5A05 五周年任務【伍:五周年艦隊出撃!】
    5th Anniversary Mission #5: 5th Anniversary Fleet Sortie!
    Form a fleet including 1 CL type ship (CL, CLT or CT), 2 DD/DE, up to 3 additional ships and complete ONE of following conditions:

    1) A+ rank 2-1, 2-2, 2-3, 2-4, 2-5 boss nodes once.
    OR
    2) A+ rank 5-3 and 5-5 boss nodes once.
    OR
    3) A+ rank 6-5 boss node once.

    0 / 5000 / 0 / 0 Samuel B. RobertsSamuel B. Roberts Banner Requires: 5A04

    Developer tweets

    Twitter logo blue @KanColle_STAFF Pre Update

    JP

    Currently KanColle Development Team is preparing for the release of a New Ship Girl who is scheduled to be released in the later-half of next month. The Destroyer Escort who fought her best to protect 'Gambier Bay' and other Escort Carriers while clashed against the Kurita Fleet during the Battle of Leyte Gulf. She who had fought as the protector of the Taffy III. She will be released this Spring!

    現在「艦これ」運営鎮守府は、来月後半に実装予定のある新艦娘の準備を進めています。レイテ沖海戦において、栗田艦隊主力と会敵、「ガンビア・ベイ」などの護衛空母群を護るために全力を出して戦ったある護衛駆逐艦。タフィーIIIの護りとして、戦い切った彼女。実装は今春予定です!

    JP

    The Taffy III Escort Ship scheduled for release this Spring by the timing of the 5th Anniversary, this New Ship Girl's Illustration will be done by an Illustrator who will be newly joining us in KanColle! The New Ship Girl will be done by an Illustrator who has been cheering for KanColle for a long time. Please look forward to here as well!

    今春五周年タイミングで実装予定のタフィーIII護衛艦艇、本新艦娘の担当イラストレーターは、「艦これ」初参加! ずっと「艦これ」を応援してくれていた、あるイラストレーターさんの作画による艦娘です。こちらもお楽しみに!

    JP

    Currently KanColle Development Team is preparing for the release of a Destroyer Escort who had fought hard against the Kurita Fleet during the Battle of Leyte Gulf to protect the Escort Carriers, and for the releases of 2nd Remodels of multiple Elite A-Type Fleet Destroyers.

    現在「艦これ」運営鎮守府では、今春の実装に向けて、レイテ沖海戦において護衛空母を護るために栗田艦隊主力と激しく戦った護衛駆逐艦の実装、そして艦隊型駆逐艦の精鋭、甲型駆逐艦と呼ばれた駆逐艦、その何隻かの改二改装の準備を進めています。

    JP

    The Destroyer of the 17th Destroyer Division, who had escorted the Capital Battleship Fleet returning to Japan after 'Operation Shō-Gō, the Battle of Leyte Gulf', but then had sunk together with the veteran Battleship 'Kongou' due to an attack by an Enemy Submarine. In the next Maintenance & Updates, her new Kai Remodel, 'D Kai' is scheduled to be implemented!

    「捷一号作戦」レイテ沖海戦後に内地に帰投する主力戦艦部隊を護衛、潜水艦の攻撃によって歴戦の戦艦「金剛」と共に台湾沖で没した、多くの海戦を駆け抜けた第十七駆逐隊のある駆逐艦。次回のメンテに伴うアップデートでは、彼女の「改」の新改装、【丁改】を実装予定です!

    JP

    The next General Maintenance & Update for all running KanColle Servers will be taking place on the 5th Anniversary April 23rd, Monday. The Maintenance is scheduled to start at a bit more later time than usual. From the Maintenance & Update taking place on the KanColle 5th Anniversary, One New Ship Girl will be implemented. Please look forward to it a bit!

    次回「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群メンテナンス&アップデートは、五周年を迎える【4/23(月)】に実施予定です。いつもより少し遅い時間からメンテに突入予定です。「艦これ」五周年記念日に実施する同メンテに伴うアップデートでは、【新艦娘】を一隻実装予定です。少しだけお楽しみに!

    JP

    Currently KanColle Development Team is preparing for the opening of the YumiZui-Land front and the next Maintenance & Updates. The next Maintenance & Updates scheduled for tomorrow April 23rd Monday on the 5th Anniversary will be starting from the afternoon [14:30] and expected to end at [20:30]. Admirals, please be advised!

    現在「艦これ」運営鎮守府は、ゆみずいランド方面展開部隊も含め、次回メンテナンス&アップデートの準備も鋭意進めています。明日【4/23(月)】五周年記念日に実施予定のメンテナンスは、同日午後【14:30】に開始、【20:30】作業完了を予定してます。提督の皆さん、ご留意頂けますと幸いです!

    JP

    「艦これ」五周年を迎えた今日、この後【14:30】より「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群はメンテナンス&アップデートに突入致します。本日【20:30】の作業完了を予定しています。提督の皆さん、大変恐縮です。本メンテ開始前にブラウザを閉じ、「艦これ」を一旦終了して頂けますと幸いです。

    JP

    「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群は、五周年を迎えた本日この後【14:30】よりメンテナンス&アップデートに突入致します。作業完了は、【20:30】を予定しています。提督の皆さん、お手数お掛けして恐縮です。メンテナンス開始前にブラウザを閉じ、「艦これ」を一旦終了して頂けますと幸いです。

    JP

    Maintenance Started

    メンテナンス状況:メンテナンス作業、開始しました! 「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群は、メンテナンス&アップデート作業に突入しました。作業完了は、現時点では【20:30】を予定しています。進捗は随時お知らせできるよう努めます。

    JP

    メンテナンス状況:現在メンテナンス実施中です。 「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群はメンテナンス&アップデート作業を実施中です。作業は中盤のシークエンスに移行しました。本メンテに伴うアップデートでは、陽炎型駆逐艦「浦風」、その新たな「改」改装【丁改】を実装予定です。お楽しみに!

    JP

    メンテナンス状況:現在メンテナンス実施中です。 「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群はメンテナンス&アップデート作業を実施中です。作業は後半のシークエンスに移行しつつあります。現在作業中のアップデートでは、サマール沖でガンビア・ベイなどを護るために奮戦した護衛駆逐艦を実装中です!

    JP

    メンテナンス状況:予定通り、【20:30】完了の見込みです。 本日実施の「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群メンテナンス&春アップデート、作業は最終シークエンスに移行しつつあります。この後20:15前後より、本日のメンテナンスに伴うアップデート情報をお知らせしてまいります。

    JP

    メンテナンス状況:再開放、若干時間が掛かります。申し訳ありません。 本日実施の「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群メンテナンス&アップデート、開放前の最終確認を行っていましたが、一部サーバで不整合が発見されました。大変申し訳ありません、確認&対応を行い、最終工程を再度実施致します。

    JP

    メンテナンス状況:申し訳ありません、【21:10】完了の見込みです。 申し訳ありません、本日実施の「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群メンテナンス&アップデート、作業は再度最終シークエンスに移行中です。この後20:50前後より、本日のメンテナンスに伴うアップデート情報をお知らせしてまいります。

    Twitter logo blue @KanColle_STAFF Patch notes

    JP

    We will now layout the Information of today Monday April 23rd Server Maintenance and Updates 01▼ 5th Anniversary Wall Scroll Release From today, the 5th Anniversary Wall Scroll will be available to obtain from the limited-time 5th Anniversary Quest.

    • This Wall Scroll will have the Writer Ship Girl's 5th Anniversary Voiceline.

    本日【4/23(月)】実施全サーバ群共通メンテナンスに伴うアップデート情報を お知らせしていきます。 01▼「五周年記念」掛け軸の実装 「五周年記念」掛け軸を実装、本日より期間実装される五周年任務の進行によって獲得することが可能です。※同掛け軸は作者艦娘の五周年記念ボイス付きです。

    JP

    02▼ Ship Girls 5th Anniversary Limited-time Voicelines Release!
    All Admirals, thank you very much! KanColle has finally reached its 5th Anniversary. We thank you very much for all your support on behalf of the Ship Girls. Yamato, Musashi, Nagato, Ise, Kongou, and other 100 of Ship Girls will be receiving 5th Anniversary Celebration Voicelines!

    02▼艦娘【五周年】ボイスの期間限定実装開始! 提督の皆さん、ありがとうございました!「艦これ」は本日、「五周年」を迎えました。皆さんのご支援に「艦娘」に代わって、厚く御礼申し上げます。「大和」「武蔵」「長門」「伊勢」「金剛」など100隻余隻の艦娘に五周年記念ボイスを実装です!

    JP

    03▼ Release of 【New Ship Girl】 Destroyer Escort 'Samuel B. Roberts'
    The 5th Anniversary Celebratory New Ship Girl John C. Butler-class Destroyer Escort 'Samuel B. Roberts' will be implemented! She who fought against the Kurita Fleet to protect Gambier Bay and the others in the Battle of Samar. She will be joining you after the completion of the 5th Anniversary Quests released today!

    03▼【新艦娘】護衛駆逐艦「Samuel B.Roberts」の実装 五周年記念【新艦娘】John C.Butler級護衛駆逐艦「Samuel B.Roberts」、実装開始です!サマール沖海戦で、ガンベア・ベイなどを護るため自らに数倍する栗田艦隊に対して奮戦した彼女。本日実装の【五周年任務】全攻略で艦隊に合流します!

    JP

    04▼ Implementation of several time-limited "5th Anniversary" missions This update includes time-limited "5th Anniversary" missions! The missions are as follows: 5th Anniversary Mission #1: Arsenal 5th Anniversary Mission #2: Naval Base Sea Patrol 5th Anniversary Mission #3: Modernisation 5th Anniversary Mission #4: Practice 5th Anniversary Mission #5: 5th Anniversary Fleet Sortie!

    04▼期間限定【五周年任務】群の実装 本アップデートにより、【五周年任務】が期間限定実装されます! 同任務群は下記より構成されます。 五周年任務【壱:工廠】 五周年任務【弐:鎮守府海域警戒】 五周年任務【参:近代化改修】 五周年任務【肆:演習 五周年任務【伍:五周年艦隊出撃!】

    JP

    05▼ Supplementary info regarding the 5th Anniversary missions 1/2

    • The 5th Anniversary missions we're adding in this update are time-limited, but Golden Week is around the corner and the missions and here to stay until late May. No need to panic, just clear them at your pace.
    • The mission rewards include, reinforcement expansions, furniture fairies, action reports and more!

    05▼期間限定【五周年任務】群の補足 1/2 ※本アップデートにより実装される【五周年任務】は期間限定実装ですが、 GWを挟んで五月後半まで実装されています。焦らず、それぞれのペースで 取り組んで頂けますと幸いです。

    • 本任務群では、補強増設や家具職人、戦闘詳報などの入手も可能です!
    JP

    06▼ Supplementary info regarding the 5th Anniversary missions 2/2

    • Admirals who don't have escort ships can obtain one in the "5th Anniversary mission #2: Naval Base Sea Patrol". Take good care of her, you'll need her for the later missions.
    • If you clear the last quest "5th Anniversary Mission #5: 5th Anniversary Fleet Sortie!", you'll obtain the new ship girl "Samuel B. Roberts"!

    06▼期間限定【五周年任務】群の補足 2/2

    • 海防艦をお持ちでない提督方も、五周年任務【弐:鎮守府海域警戒】で海防艦を獲得できます。本任務群後半に進むまで同艦を大切に運用ください。
    • 最終任務【伍:五周年艦隊出撃!】を攻略することで、【新艦娘】「Samuel B.Roberts」が合流します!
    JP

    07 ▼ Akashi's Improvement Arsenal New Menu Addition Release Akashi's Improvement Arsenal will be able to improve the '5inch Single Gun Mount Mk.30' with a certain Ship Girl as the support.

    • This Equipment is effective to use as an Equipment on the related Small Ship

    07▼【改修工廠(明石の工廠)】新改修メニュー追加実装 改修工廠(明石の工廠)が拡張され、ある艦娘がサポートすることで 両用砲「5inch単装砲 Mk.30」 の装備改修が可能になります。

    • 同兵装は関連の小型艦艇の装備として有効です。
    JP

    08▼ Server Change Possible [Transfer Request] 5th Anniversary Limited-time Content With the timing of the 5th Anniversary, towards the 2nd Phase we are going through a gradual transition. The 1st Step will be to receive the limited-time content of being possible to go Change your server via [Transfer Request]. During the limited-time of the availability of this content, you may enter and submit your [Transfer Request].

    • The Transfer will be processed via a Lottery among the participants.

    08▼サーバ間転籍可能【異動願い】五周年期間限定実装 本五周年タイミングより二期に向けて、段階的な移行を進めていきます。第一段として、サーバ間転籍可能【異動願い】を期間限定実装します。本実装期間中【異動願い】記載、同提出が可能です。

    • 転籍は提出者の中から抽選で実施されます。
    JP

    09▼ Possible Server Change [Transfer Request] Additional Information

    • We would like you to fill out a MA (Multi-Answer - Multiple Choice Possible) Survey.
    (This does not affect the results of the Lottery)
    • Depending on your HQ Level, the Server you wish to move into may not be available.
    Please be advised.
    • The Server Change will be processed via a Lottery by the Summer.

    09▼サーバ間転籍可能【異動願い】の補足事項

    • MA(マルチアンサー)の簡単なアンケートをお願いします。
     (同内容は抽選には影響しません)
    • 希望異動先希望は、司令部レベルによって選択できないサーバもあります。予めご了承頂けますと幸いです。
    • 夏までに抽選で転籍を実施する予定です。
    JP

    10▼ Destroyer 'Urakaze' D Kai Remodel In order to fight against the threats of Enemy Submarines, The Kagerou-class Destroyer 'Urakaze' will be receiving her 'If' Remodel of the Anti-Submarine Warfare Reinforcement D Kai Remodel, Urakaze D Kai.

    • For this D Kai Remodel, she does not require a Blueprint.
    • Along with the D Kai Remodel, Urakaze D Kai exclusive New Voicelines will be implemented.

    10▼駆逐艦「浦風」【丁改改装】の実装 敵潜水艦の脅威に対抗するため、陽炎型駆逐艦「浦風」、その【改】の対潜哨戒強化if改装【丁改】、「浦風丁改」を実装します。 ※同丁改装には、「改装設計図」は不要です。 ※同丁改装と同時に、「浦風丁改」以降専用ボイスも更新実装されます。

    JP

    11▼ End of Ship Girls 'Spring' Limited-time Voiceline Contents We will now be ending the Ship Girls 'Spring' Limited-time Voiceline.

    • The Zuiun Festival Voicelines and certain Spring Voicelines will still be available.
    It feels a bit sad as something seasonal has ended... However!

    11▼艦娘【春】ボイスの期間限定実装を終了 艦娘【春】ボイスの期間限定実装を終了します。 ※瑞雲祭りボイス及び一部春ボイスは継続実装します。 季節的な何かが終わってさみしい気もします……ですが……大丈夫!

    JP

    12▼ Ship Girls [Zuiun Festival] Mode, Limited-time Content Release! It has come this year once again, the unexpected 2nd Naval Base Zuiun Festival! Along with Hyuuga and Ise as a start, in our Naval Base as well, a number of Ship Girls will enter the corresponding Mode. Ship Girls, and high performance Reconnaissance Seaplane Zuiun. We hope for the best!

    12▼艦娘【瑞雲祭り】mode、期間実装開始! 今年もやってきました、まさかの鎮守府第二次【瑞雲】祭り! 航空戦艦「日向」「伊勢」をはじめ、ここ鎮守府でも何人かの艦娘が同modeへと積極移行していきます。「艦娘」、そして高性能水上偵察機「瑞雲」…引き続きどうぞよろしくお願い致します!

    JP

    13▼ Sado & Tsushima [Zuiun Festival] Mode, Content Release! In the Anchorage [YomizuiLand], Sado and Tsushima were able to Enjoy the Large Seaplane [Zuiun] and the [Zuiun Festival]. Although they cannot equip the Zuiun, we will be secretly releasing their Zuiun Festival Mode! YomizuiLand is full of dangers...

    13▼「佐渡」「対馬」に【瑞雲祭り】mode、実装開始! 某泊地「よみずいランド」で、頼もしい水上の翼【瑞雲】と【瑞雲祭り】をエンジョイした海防艦「佐渡」「対馬」。瑞雲は積めないけれど、彼女たちの「瑞雲祭り」mode、どさくさに紛れて実装開始です!よみずいランドも危険が一杯……。

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    14▼ Ship Girls [Spring Flowers] Mode, Limited-time Content, Start! It's not just Zuiun! The Spring Flowers Mode for the celebration of the Fleet's 5th Anniversary, it will be implemented again this year as well. For the 5th Anniversary, alongside the previous ones, Naganami-sama's minor changes, also the Destroyer Amagiri, Escort Carrier Gambier Bay will receive this Mode as well!

    14▼艦娘【春の花束】mode、期間限定実装開始! 「瑞雲」だけではありません!艦隊の周年を記念する、春の花束mode、今年も実装開始です。この五周年では従来に加え、「長波」さまの同差分mode、そして駆逐艦「天霧」、護衛空母「Gambier Bay」にも新たに実装開始です!

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    15▼ Yamato's [Spring Casual Outfit] Mode Release! Spring is the season for Moving and Room Cleaning! For the Battleship 'Yamato', to challenge the OFF Room Cleaning, she will be receiving the [Spring Casual Outfit] Limited-time Content! She is not a caretaker of the Naval Base. However, Cleaning is very important! Let's aim for the next season and do our best!

    15▼「大和」に【春の私服】mode実装! 春は引っ越しやお部屋の掃除の季節でもあります!戦艦「大和」にオフなお部屋の掃除に挑む「大和」の【春の私服】modeを期間限定実装開始です!鎮守府の管理人さんではありません。でも、お掃除は大事です!次の季節に向けて、頑張ってまいりましょう!

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    16▼ Implementation of the second refit for the destroyer Kagerō The Kagerō-class destroyers are Type-A destroyers that were modified for the decisive battle. Today, on the 5th Anniversary, we're implementing the second refit of that class' nameship, Kagerō!

    • The refit requires a blueprint.
    • Her K2 has unique voice lines.

    16▼駆逐艦「陽炎」【改二】改装の実装 艦隊決戦のために整備された甲型駆逐艦、陽炎型。五周年の今日、その長女たるネームシップ「陽炎」のさらなる改装、【陽炎改二】を実装します! ※同改装には、「改装設計図」が必要です。 ※同改二専用ボイスも、更新実装されます。

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    17▼ Regarding Kagerō K2's combat characteristics The Kagerō-class destroyers are Type-A destroyers that were modified for the decisive battle. The remodelled ship Kagerō K2's anti-ship combat performance can be increased further by mounting the destroyer main battery equipment "12.7cm Twin Gun Mount Model C Kai-2" as well as the "Model D Kai-2" version. Furthermore, using the "61cm Quadruple (Oxygen) Torpedo Mount" also improves her torpedo & night battle performance.

    17▼【陽炎改二】の戦闘特性について 艦隊決戦のために整備された甲型駆逐艦、陽炎型。同改装艦【陽炎改二】は、駆逐艦主砲兵装「12.7cm連装砲C型改二」及び同「D型改二」装備によって対艦戦闘力を向上させることが可能です。また、 「61cm四連装(酸素)魚雷」運用も魚雷戦・夜戦で効果的です。

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    • Oh! The American destroyer will be drawn by a new artist. I hope this will turn out good.

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    • Samuel Roberts.

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    • Just did a quick googling and Wikipedia, the name that pops up with Gambier the most in her final moment is USS Johnston DDD-557, so maybe that's her 

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    • I can't believe this meme which I made out of koruri's illustration is becoming a reality now. US Navy Family continues to grow! (And must grow more and more Kappa

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      Welp time to get my next Ring ready...

      Make kancolle great again


      So.... USS William D Porter when? Jebaited

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    • Who's the most likely candidate? I'm a little confused.

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    • >The New Ship Girl will be done by an Illustrator who has been cheering for KanColle for a long time.

      plot twist......IT'S TANAKA www

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    • Royal Sovereign (05) wrote: Who's the most likely candidate? I'm a little confused.

      If we add in all information so far, it's someone who protected Gambier Bay and Escort Carriers in Taffy III but had sunk as of result.

      Well this includes Johnston, Hoel and Samuel B. Roberts.

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    • Royal Sovereign (05) wrote:
      Who's the most likely candidate? I'm a little confused.

      Hoel, Heermann, and Johnston were the only three DD in formation (Sammy B was a DE)

      I'll bet it will be Johnston since she is best associated with the act of trying to come to Gambi's aid (Heermann is also likely since she survived the battle and went on to participate in Ten-Go - USN side, but she doesn't fit the previous statement that it would be a Taffy 3 DD who was sunk in Leyte)

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    • SAMMY B!

      the Destroyer Escort that fought like a Battleship.



      o hells to the eff yeah!!!!

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    • Dreddz wrote:

      Hoel, Heermann, and Johnston were the only three DD in formation (Sammy B was a DE)

      the tweet said >護衛駆逐艦

      護衛駆逐艦 literally means destroyer escort, so isn't it become clearer who will be implemented if the other 3 are DD ?

      not an naval or history expert, but the devs mentioned shimushu,etorofu and hiburi class as "kaiboukan" while the previosly mentioned tweet is using "護衛駆逐艦 goei kuchikukan" instead of "kaiboukan" so either the devs meant another type of kaiboukan (just like CVL and attack CVL) or they meant destroyer that was tasked with escorting for that certain battle

      V4ygtvy
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    • 天津の風 wrote: just like CVL and attack CVL

      Uh... CVE?

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    • 護衛駆逐艦 means Destroyer Escort, which stands for DE.

      I corrected the errors saying it's a Destroyer. My bad guys (sometimes I am not familiar with the military terminologies....)

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    • Flixwito wrote:

      天津の風 wrote: just like CVL and attack CVL

      Uh... CVE?

      ummm no, i meant normal CVL (like zuihou) and attack CVL (suzuya,kumano CVL form)

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    • I'm guessing it's going to be either the USS Johnston or the USS Hoel, as one of the ranking rewards was, apparently, standard-issue for the Fletcher-Class and both of those ships were part of Taffy 3 and both were lost at Leyte.

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    • a certain qoute pertaining Battle off Samar:
      [ Captain Evans of the JOHNSTON issued what Bob Hagen considered “the most courageous order I've ever heard.” The skipper said, “Commence firing on that cruiser, Hagen. Draw her fire on us and away from the Gambier Bay"]
      i hope this not only Sammy B, but alos JOHNSTON, 2 is better than 1.

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    • Destroyer Escort => DE

      Coastal Defense Ship => DE

      Hope Destroyer Escort will be labeled with "Destroyer Escort" and than we can restart a certain discussion about Coastal Defense Ship labeled with "Escort"

      Make CDS/EE great again!

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    • I still want to believe it's probably gonna be a DD. The John C. Butlers and Fletchers having similar armament and all dont help, and the fact that the 5-in gun mentions both DDs and DEs in it really makes this ambiguous. 

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    • A Destroyer escorting Taffy 3..... probabaly thats how it been said

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    • Well DE means Sammy B. If I have to guess.

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    • What do you even want with all those DEs.

      Dont get me wrong here, yes make murica great and so on. But srsly noone needs 10 DEs.

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    • Volvorino wrote:
      What do you even want with all those DEs.

      Dont get me wrong here, yes make murica great and so on. But srsly noone needs 10 DEs.

      They are lolis, thereby they are to be collected and proteccted.

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    • Volvorino wrote:
      What do you even want with all those DEs.

      Dont get me wrong here, yes make murica great and so on. But srsly noone needs 10 DEs.

      for collection? :)

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    • I'm expecting a Destroyer nevertheless.


      the devs always GIVES MORE THAN JUST ONE DESTROYER ANYWAY!

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    • yay more lolis

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    • Im still waiting for the DEs to get a useful role in this game

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    • LoliLordMarty wrote:
      Im still waiting for the DEs to get a useful role in this game

      they do have a role.. cheap and easily accessible ASW role. The only issue is that the ASW role is taken up by ASW-specialised DDs and CLs too. I admit I wouldn't pick DEs if I have verniy/asashioK2D available, but they are there if you need them.

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    • After Inteprid it can only go better

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    • Neoasis wrote:

      they do have a role.. cheap and easily accessible ASW role. The only issue is that the ASW role is taken up by ASW-specialised DDs and CLs too. I admit I wouldn't pick DEs if I have verniy/asashioK2D available, but they are there if you need them.

      until u faced shit called 5 shiplocks

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    • 天津の風 wrote:
      Neoasis wrote:

      they do have a role.. cheap and easily accessible ASW role. The only issue is that the ASW role is taken up by ASW-specialised DDs and CLs too. I admit I wouldn't pick DEs if I have verniy/asashioK2D available, but they are there if you need them.

      until u faced shit called 5 shiplocks

      LOL yes. 5 shiplocks, multiple sub-heavy nodes in line ahead formation, sub princesses in preboss, boss nodes using tcf...

      I hope tnk's not reading this.

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    • If you "dedicate" yourself, you can turn so many ordinary DDs into pre-empt ASW DDs outside marriage, even if it means those DDs deal lower damage thus suboptimal at best, but it works.

      3 Type 4 Passive Sonars can turn anyone with 64 base ASW into pre-empter(sp?).

      This is also why I, initially at least, can't find any use of those Escorts aside from mod-fodders.

      As long as the target submarine in question is not Submarine Princess with her fucking 93 armor, but I guess this is where those Escort ships come in.

      edit:

      Then there is provisional marriage.

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    • DEs are useful to spam 1-5 which I do for weeklies. US DEs were somewhere between the current Japanese DEs and DDs, which leads to confusion. A US DE will probably be more like the Mutsuki class with increased ASW and AA as well as reduced Torp. I'm hoping for Johnston, because another high FP DD is always useful.

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    • Neoasis wrote:

      LoliLordMarty wrote:
      Im still waiting for the DEs to get a useful role in this game

      they do have a role.. cheap and easily accessible ASW role. The only issue is that the ASW role is taken up by ASW-specialised DDs and CLs too. I admit I wouldn't pick DEs if I have verniy/asashioK2D available, but they are there if you need them.

      this is not the same as "Escorts" aka Kaiboukans btw. The USN Destroyer Escorts had torpedo mounts, making them "cheaper" version of Destroyers itself...

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    • WellSpokenMan130 wrote: DEs are useful to spam 1-5 which I do for weeklies. US DEs were somewhere between the current Japanese DEs and DDs, which leads to confusion. A US DE will probably be more like the Mutsuki class with increased ASW and AA as well as reduced Torp. I'm hoping for Johnston, because another high FP DD is always useful.

      The only confusion of "Japanese DE" versus US DE only came because people insisted on referring to those Kaiboukans (PF/CDS/EE) as DEs, which backfired within an year. Now that we know that the "real" DEs are coming, can we just say "screw those fake naval scholars, leave DEs to the genuine Americans"?

      One more note, the Japanese "護衛駆逐艦" refers to both DE and DDE (perhaps wouldn't be introduced), it seems to be a harmless trivia for the moment, but who knows...

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    • Well, the Devs did put "Escort" on the Kaiboukan's card...

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    • after some reading in wikipedia :

      An escort destroyer with United States Navy hull classification symbol DDE was a destroyer (DD) modified for and assigned to a fleet escort role

      "Escort destroyers" should not be confused with the cheaper, slower, less capable, and more lightly armed World War II "destroyer escorts" [1]

      Destroyer escort (DE) was the United States Navy mid-20th-century classification for a 20-knot (23 mph) warship designed with endurance to escort mid-ocean convoys of merchant marine ships. Kaibōkan were designed for a similar role in the Imperial Japanese Navy. [2]

      Kaibōkan (海防艦, "sea defence ship") or coastal defense ship is a type of naval ship used by the Imperial Japanese Navy during World War II for escort duty and coastal defense. The term escort ship is used by the United States Navy to describe this category of Japanese ships [3]

      heres the thing :

      shimushu,etorofu and hiburi card is "escort", so by using above statement escort ship = kaiboukan = destroyer escort but =//= escort destroyer

      TL:DR

      imo, in this taffy 3 case the dev use 護衛駆逐艦 to refer the DDs intead of the DE (samuel)

      in addition, the order given to johnston to protect gabby bae suit the devs description

      and for the termination, i think we can still use DE to refer to kaiboukan (hiburi etc) and DDE for escort destroyer IF they're found to have different mechanism like our CV and armored CV

      and sorry seems like this makes my previous statement that saying 護衛駆逐艦 is DE is wrong

      seems like i should not stick my nose on things that i'm not good at hha

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    • if you check jp wiki for 護衛駆逐艦, the term refers to DEs. 

      further to this:

      海防艦 is considered the equivalent of 護衛駆逐艦 (based on "日本海軍の同目的の艦"), so Kaibōkan == DE 

      "同様に護衛駆逐艦と訳される艦種(Escort Destroyer, DDE)があるが、こちらは従来の駆逐艦を対潜艦に転用したものである。" hence 護衛駆逐艦 != DDE

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    • Neoasis wrote:
      if you check jp wiki for 護衛駆逐艦, the term refers to DEs. 

      further to this:

      海防艦 is considered the equivalent of 護衛駆逐艦 (based on "日本海軍の同目的の艦"), so Kaibōkan == DE 

      "同様に護衛駆逐艦と訳される艦種(Escort Destroyer, DDE)があるが、こちらは従来の駆逐艦を対潜艦に転用したものである。" hence 護衛駆逐艦 != DDE

      true, but

      >同様に護衛駆逐艦と訳される艦種(Escort Destroyer, DDE)があるが、こちらは従来の駆逐艦を対潜艦に転用したものである。

      theres a variety of ship that can also be translated similarly, thats it (Escort Destroyer, DDE) but this is a conventional destroyer thats turned into ASW

      going by word 同様, means that both DE and DDE are correct to be translated into 護衛駆逐艦

      in addition this kaiboukan page mentioned shimushu

      the dev themself refer shimushu as kaiboukan instead of goeikuchikukan, so if the kaiboukan and goeikuchikukan are the same thing why the dev use the new term instead of using the old kaiboukan ?

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    • Just to remind people in case they want to start this discussion all over again, DE was chosen because people want DE -> Kaiboukan, not because Kaiboukan -> Destroyer Escort. In other words, currently it's DE -> Coastal Defense Ship -> Escort, you'll notice that there is not a single mention anywhere in the community who refers the Kaiboukans as a Destroyer Escort for obvious reasons. Even in-game, they're only referred to as "Escort". We've currently already deviated from the standard naming conventions, so it's kinda pointless to argue that DE != Kaiboukan if you consider our DE != Destroyer Escort, but DE == Escort.

      With that said, one of the 2 can happen with the new Taffy III Destroyer Escort release:

      1. The new ship released is an "Escort", thus placing it in the same category as the Kaiboukans. In this case, all we have to do is rename the category "Coastal Defense Ship" to "Escort". No big deal.
      2. The new ship released is a "Destroyer Escort", which is a complete new category and API value. We obviously can't have 2 categories that are both DE, so you guys will have to admit that I was right all along a year ago and we will decide on a new proper classification. Also, I'm not going with PF for obvious reasons.

      My advice: just wait patiently for the update to arrive and decide from that point on what to do. Any debates that occurs now is pointless and it's just a waste of your energy that could've been used more productively lol.

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    • Tsubakura wrote: Just to remind people in case they want to start this discussion all over again, DE was chosen because people want DE -> Kaiboukan, not because Kaiboukan -> Destroyer Escort. In other words, currently it's DE -> Coastal Defense Ship -> Escort, you'll notice that there is not a single mention anywhere in the community who refers the Kaiboukans as a Destroyer Escort for obvious reasons. Even in-game, they're only referred to as "Escort". We've currently already deviated from the standard naming conventions, so it's kinda pointless to argue that DE != Kaiboukan if you consider our DE != Destroyer Escort, but DE == Escort.

      With that said, one of the 2 can happen with the new Taffy III Destroyer Escort release:

      1. The new ship released is an "Escort", thus placing it in the same category as the Kaiboukans. In this case, all we have to do is rename the category "Coastal Defense Ship" to "Escort". No big deal.
      2. The new ship released is a "Destroyer Escort", which is a complete new category and API value. We obviously can't have 2 categories that are both DE, so you guys will have to admit that I was right all along a year ago and we will decide on a new proper classification. Also, I'm not going with PF for obvious reasons.

      My advice: just wait patiently for the update to arrive and decide from that point on what to do. Any debates that occurs now is pointless and it's just a waste of your energy that could've been used more productively lol.

      Dramatic-Clapping-Crying-Meme-Face-Of-Citizen-Kane
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    • Tsubakura wrote:
      == stuff ==

      My advice: just wait patiently for the update to arrive and decide from that point on what to do. Any debates that occurs now is pointless and it's just a waste of your energy that could've been used more productively lol.

      His Highness has spoken !

      all hail britannia ! all hail LELOUCH !!

      on a side note, i don't care who will get implemented anyway XD

      the only reason i'm joining the discussion because i thought escort destroyer and destroyer escort is the same just with different translation caused by back-to-front and front-to-back translation before i know that those 2 are different thing when i started browsing taffy 3 members

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    • 天津の風 wrote:
      Neoasis wrote:
      if you check jp wiki for 護衛駆逐艦, the term refers to DEs. 

      further to this:

      海防艦 is considered the equivalent of 護衛駆逐艦 (based on "日本海軍の同目的の艦"), so Kaibōkan == DE 

      "同様に護衛駆逐艦と訳される艦種(Escort Destroyer, DDE)があるが、こちらは従来の駆逐艦を対潜艦に転用したものである。" hence 護衛駆逐艦 != DDE

      true, but

      >同様に護衛駆逐艦と訳される艦種(Escort Destroyer, DDE)があるが、こちらは従来の駆逐艦を対潜艦に転用したものである。

      theres a variety of ship that can also be translated similarly, thats it (Escort Destroyer, DDE) but this is a conventional destroyer thats turned into ASW

      going by word 同様, means that both DE and DDE are correct to be translated into 護衛駆逐艦

      in addition this kaiboukan page mentioned shimushu

      the dev themself refer shimushu as kaiboukan instead of goeikuchikukan, so if the kaiboukan and goeikuchikukan are the same thing why the dev use the new term instead of using the old kaiboukan ?

      >同様に護衛駆逐艦と訳される艦種(Escort Destroyer, DDE)があるが、こちらは従来の駆逐艦を対潜艦に転用したものである。=> I read this line differently; I take it to mean that the author is differentiating DDE from 護衛駆逐艦 by saying that "although the translation is the same, a DDE is just a ASW-specialised DD"; i.e. there is no special term for DDEs as they will just call them DDs in Japanese.

      Also, if you check the classes in the page, they correspond to the USN DE classes in WW2; no mention of DDEs.

      On the next point.. Shimushu is a 海防艦; similarly etorofu is mentioned in the page.. that's why I don't get your point on this. If we conclude that 海防艦 = 護衛駆逐艦, then it doesn't matter which one the devs call it right? (actually I haven't seen those tweets, so I'm not sure if those are causing confusion.)

      Edit:

      Opps.. this came late. I don't know the history of this discussion.. so, I guess it's a moot point now.

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    • Zel-melon wrote: Who cares. We're going to jail anyways.

      Yor Honor, I swear the ring was just prepared for Friendship Bonding!!!

      Death usagi arrested
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    • Zel-melon wrote:
      Who cares. We're going to jail anyways.

      Jail is just a room and age is just a number. time for pomf :D

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    • I just hope that the personality for Johnston or Sammy B is appropriately brash and she terrorizes the Heavy Cruisers.

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    • Neoasis wrote:

      >同様に護衛駆逐艦と訳される艦種(Escort Destroyer, DDE)があるが、こちらは従来の駆逐艦を対潜艦に転用したものである。=> I read this line differently; I take it to mean that the author is differentiating DDE from 護衛駆逐艦 by saying that "although the translation is the same, a DDE is just a ASW-specialised DD"; i.e. there is no special term for DDEs as they will just call them DDs in Japanese.

      No , it says : DDE is also translated as (Japanese), but DDE is different from DE (and the wiki entry is mainly talking about DE. It does NOT imply that (Japanese) cannot or should not refer to DDE.

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    • Tsubakura wrote: With that said, one of the 2 can happen with the new Taffy III Destroyer Escort release:

      1. The new ship released is an "Escort", thus placing it in the same category as the Kaiboukans. In this case, all we have to do is rename the category "Coastal Defense Ship" to "Escort". No big deal.
      2. The new ship released is a "Destroyer Escort", which is a complete new category and API value. We obviously can't have 2 categories that are both DE, so you guys will have to admit that I was right all along a year ago and we will decide on a new proper classification. Also, I'm not going with PF for obvious reasons.

      1. is flatly impossible. Kaiboukans are dictated to be unable to fit torpedoes, but Sammy B did (historically) and will (in-game) have torpedoes. That's why a change is imminent in order to vacate the DE designation before Sammy B is introduced, so that the two definitions of DE does not collide chronologically and cause confusion.

      I don't know what your "obvious reason" against PF is, but I have a more obvious reason for it: Kaiboukans WERE INDEED reclassified as PF after the war. For example Tsushima became ROCS Lin An (PF-77). This is far more powerful a proof now than in the previous Kaiboukan designation war, as now we DO have Tsushima introduced.

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    • Vcharng wrote: 1. is flatly impossible. Kaiboukans are dictated to be unable to fit torpedoes, but Sammy B did (historically) and will (in-game) have torpedoes. That's why a change is imminent in order to vacate the DE designation before Sammy B is introduced, so that the two definitions of DE does not collide chronologically and cause confusion.

      I don't know what your "obvious reason" against PF is, but I have a more obvious reason for it: Kaiboukans WERE INDEED reclassified as PF after the war. For example Tsushima became ROCS Lin An (PF-77). This is far more powerful a proof now than in the previous Kaiboukan designation war, as now we DO have Tsushima introduced.

      Unfortunately for you, whether the new USN DE will get the same API type as Kaiboukans or not is not for you to decide, but by Tanaka. While you might be correct when it comes to irl history, a single whimsical choice from Tanaka can basically nullify any arguments or reasoning from a historical standpoint. As a matter of fact, the Hiyou-class aircraft carriers are now suddenly CVLs in this game, you never know lol.

      My advice is the same to you as the others, any debates now is pointless until it's finally released. I'll reconsider PF when that time comes.

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    • Tsubakura wrote:
      Unfortunately for you, whether the new USN DE will get the same API type as Kaiboukans or not is not for you to decide, but by Tanaka. While you might be correct when it comes to irl history, a single whimsical choice from Tanaka can basically nullify any arguments or reasoning from a historical standpoint. As a matter of fact, the Hiyou-class aircraft carriers are now suddenly CVLs in this game, you never know lol.

      My advice is the same to you as the others, any debates now is pointless until it's finally released. I'll reconsider PF when that time comes.

      The introduction of the whole CVL designation was a product of necessity, forcing DEs to fit into KBs is not.

      Remember the historical Kaiboukan definition confusion? They introduced Shimushu before amending the definition. So the two definitions of Kaiboukan co-existed between 1940 and July 1942, causing shits like the Nenohi-Kunashiri incident.
      If Tanaka Trolling is what you are worrying about, sure, there's a workaround, just announce something like this:
      "The Kancolle wikia will change the designation of Kaiboukans if and only if the incoming American Destroyer Escort is indeed introduced as a new category, or in other circumstances require the usage of the designation of DE. In the event that this happens, a further notice will be announced upon its introduction, and the re-designation of Kaiboukans (now DE) into KB(for example) will be taken effect after 72 hours after the completion of the maintenance in which the American DE is introduced. In the event that the new ship does not require the DE designation due to being categorized as a Kaiboukan, this notice is to be ignored."
      I didn't put "the US DE has a different API" as a criteria because I think it is possible that they are introduced under the DD category, but with some distinctive characteristics, just like CVEs (do CVEs have their own API?).

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    • No, CVEs don't have their own API as they share the same API value used by CVLs, hence why the term CVE is used unofficially and they're still called CVL in any guides or articles. I'm not going to announce anything, I don't know why you're in such a rush to turn this into a public announcement, but just wait it out until its the time act. =w=

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    • Tsubakura wrote: No, CVEs don't have their own API as they share the same API value used by CVLs, hence why the term CVE is used unofficially and they're still called CVL in any guides or articles. I'm not going to announce anything, I don't know why you're in such a rush to turn this into a public announcement, but just wait it out until its the time act. =w=

      Well I stated that above, I'm just worrying about something similar to the historical kaiboukan definition confusion due to the definitions overlap with one another.
      I guess people can find a workaround by using things like "US DE" and "Kaiboukan", though...

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    • Vcharng wrote:
      Well I stated that above, I'm just worrying about something similar to the historical kaiboukan definition confusion due to the definitions overlap with one another.
      I guess people can find a workaround by using things like "US DE" and "Kaiboukan", though...

      You worry too much, just take it easy. =w=

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    • We still got till the latter half of April for this new Destroyer Escort to be implemented, so if a change is required at that time, we will go through the issue at that time. But for now, a change is not required and no point in wasting our time arguing about it. Just chill.

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    • 天津の風 wrote:
      >The New Ship Girl will be done by an Illustrator who has been cheering for KanColle for a long time.

      plot twist......IT'S TANAKA www

      Maybe Hiten...

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    • 天津の風 wrote:

      ummm no, i meant normal CVL (like zuihou) and attack CVL (suzuya,kumano CVL form)

      Is there a page that lists all these weird gimmicky ships (daihatsu BB, attack CVL, night CVs, HA gun in expansion slot, etc)?

      I can hardly keep track nowadays and totally forgot attack CVL is a thing ( ̄▽ ̄;)

      Tsubakura wrote: With that said, one of the 2 can happen with the new Taffy III Destroyer Escort release:

      1. The new ship released is an "Escort", thus placing it in the same category as the Kaiboukans. In this case, all we have to do is rename the category "Coastal Defense Ship" to "Escort". No big deal.
      2. The new ship released is a "Destroyer Escort", which is a complete new category and API value. We obviously can't have 2 categories that are both DE, so you guys will have to admit that I was right all along a year ago and we will decide on a new proper classification. Also, I'm not going with PF for obvious reasons.

      You forgot #3 where the dev put her under Escort but change the top left kanji in her in-game card from 海防 to 護衛 :v

      Based on the kanji alone though, the probabilty of the dev just throwing the new ship into DD is likelier than DE.

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    • Kenji135 wrote:

      Based on the kanji alone though, the probabilty of the dev just throwing the new ship into DD is likelier than DE.

      I would say it's easier to put the US DE as a DD or a new, real DE category than to introduce them as a variant of current DE (KB/PF) capable of carrying torpedoes.

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    • Tsubakura wrote:
      With that said, one of the 2 can happen with the new Taffy III Destroyer Escort release:
      1. The new ship released is an "Escort", thus placing it in the same category as the Kaiboukans. In this case, all we have to do is rename the category "Coastal Defense Ship" to "Escort". No big deal.
      2. The new ship released is a "Destroyer Escort", which is a complete new category and API value. We obviously can't have 2 categories that are both DE, so you guys will have to admit that I was right all along a year ago and we will decide on a new proper classification. Also, I'm not going with PF for obvious reasons.

      My advice: just wait patiently for the update to arrive and decide from that point on what to do. Any debates that occurs now is pointless and it's just a waste of your energy that could've been used more productively lol.

      It's also perfectly possible that they will implement them as (slow speed?) destroyers, it's been mentioned above by  天津の風 how escort carriers are simply classified as light carriers in the game. The relation between destroyers escorts and destroyers is even closer than the one between light carriers and escort carriers, because destroyer escorts were built to the same naval standards of their fleet brethern, they just used cheaper and less powerful powerplants, while escort carriers were built to civilian standards and they were based on or were directly converted from civilian ships.


      Also, debating the possible options and courses of action before the actual implementation might be preferable given what happened last time when everyone went his/her own way after they had already implemented the kaibokan.

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    • WellSpokenMan130 wrote:
      I just hope that the personality for Johnston or Sammy B is appropriately brash and she terrorizes the Heavy Cruisers.

      They will for sure, in their hourly lines. and for sure, the fan arts too in the near future.

      But hey, leemme say something, during her escorting mission, Destroyer JOHNSTON fought hard and tried to save every carrier during her last battle. Worthy of MEDAL OF HONOR. I don't think Tanaka forget her, right? He even acknownledge the fact that the foreign ship, fought to its bitter end, engine destroyed, dead in the water, fight till her all 5 guns are silenced, before being sunked last during that engagement, and thats when Kurita decided to retreat, and got saluted by Yukikaze.

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    • So late April is too early for the next event... right? How are they going to be releasing this new girl? Quest reward like Akagi? 

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    • now I see who wil be the New Escort Loli ship girl that join in Taffy III

      John C. Butler class escort​​​​ destroyer​​​

      USS Samuel B. Roberts (DE-413)
      USS Samuel B. Roberts (DE-413)
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    • TTK Aegis wrote: So late April is too early for the next event... right? How are they going to be releasing this new girl? Quest reward like Akagi? 

      It's usually either a One-time Quest Reward (Like Z1Z1 Banner ) or a Drop in a Map, or could be Construction requiring a certain Ship(s).

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:

      TTK Aegis wrote: So late April is too early for the next event... right? How are they going to be releasing this new girl? Quest reward like Akagi? 

      It's usually either a One-time Quest Reward (Like Z1Z1 Banner ) or a Drop in a Map, or could be Construction requiring a certain Ship(s).

      Speaking of certain ship construction, I hope this ship could let us get Iowa via LSC like with Z1 giving you Bismark.

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    • Hyper Shinchan wrote:
      Also, debating the possible options and courses of action before the actual implementation might be preferable given what happened last time when everyone went his/her own way after they had already implemented the kaibokan.

      I do agree with getting all the possible options out, but I'm not so sure about deciding the course of action right now, before the said DE is actually implemented. The available options left are actually limited, regardless of whether the new DE gets a new category, if it gets classified as a slow DD or if it gets placed in the same category as the current Kaiboukans. Let me share my thoughts on this matter:

      1. Now that an actual DE is getting implemented, people has to reconsider the stance of whether they really want to stick with DE -> Escort == Kaiboukan. This will obviously go without saying if the new DE either gets implemented as a slow DD or as a complete new category. In case the new DE is getting classified in the same category as the current Kaiboukans, the option to retain DE exists (it will be a funny move from Tanaka though, since the new DE will also have a 海防 in their shipcard). Just keep in mind that there will be potentiality for confusion due to the facts that the Kaiboukans are now called DE -> Kaiboukan -> Escort while an actual DE will be getting implemented, with actual torpedo stats. The fact remains that the term DE == "Destroyer Escort" irl is way more common to the public than whatever we decided here. Nobody believed me when I said this will cause issues if an actual DE gets implemented a year ago, and yet, here we are debating once again lol.
      2. Then there is the PF option, proposed by Vcharng. While there exists overwhelming evidence irl that suggests Kaiboukan -> PF, it's hard for me to chew that PF -> Escort. Don't forget that the current Kaiboukan's API type name is 海防, which is also written on their shipcards. Unless you're willing to call PF == 海防, we will end up in this situation again the moment Tanaka decides to implement a PF.
      3. So once again, if we want to deal with this annoyance once and for all without the chance of us having to deal with this again, I am still proposing a classification which specifically means "Escort", whether its an existing one or a non-existent one like "EE".

      Also, the last thing I want is another riot happening like last year in which nobody wants to listen to reasoning anymore, so let's keep it civil this time. =w=

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    • Tsubakura wrote:

      I do agree with getting all the possible options out, but I'm not so sure about deciding the course of action right now, before the said DE is actually implemented. The available options left are actually limited, regardless of whether the new DE gets a new category, if it gets classified as a slow DD or if it gets placed in the same category as the current Kaiboukans. Let me share my thoughts on this matter:

      1. Now that an actual DE is getting implemented, people has to reconsider the stance of whether they really want to stick with DE -> Escort == Kaiboukan. This will obviously go without saying if the new DE either gets implemented as a slow DD or as a complete new category. In case the new DE is getting classified in the same category as the current Kaiboukans, the option to retain DE exists. Just keep in mind that there will be potentiality for confusion due to the facts that the Kaiboukans are now called DE -> Kaiboukan -> Escort while an actual DE will be getting implemented, with actual torpedo stats. The fact remains that the term DE == "Destroyer Escort" irl is way more common to the public than whatever we decided here. Nobody believed me when I said this will cause issues if an actual DE gets implemented a year ago, and yet, here we are debating once again lol.
      2. Then there is the PF option, proposed by Vcharng. While there exists overwhelming evidence irl that suggests Kaiboukan -> PF, it's hard for me to chew that PF -> Escort. Don't forget that the current Kaiboukan's API type name is 海防, which is also written on their shipcards. Unless you're willing to call PF == 海防, we will end up in this situation again the moment Tanaka decides to implement a PF.
      3. So once again, if we want to deal with this annoyance once and for all without the chance of us having to deal with this again, I am still proposing a classification which specifically means "Escort", whether its an existing one or a non-existent one like "EE".

      Also, the last thing I want is another riot happening like last year in which nobody wants to listen to reasoning anymore, so let's keep it civil this time. =w=

      Isn't there any ship-class in the US Coast Guard that has an equivalent/similar tag that could be applied to Kaiboukans?

      Really don't want a replay of last year's mess.

      EDIT: Why not designate them as Offshore Patrol Vessels (OPV)

      Just a possible option.

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    • TTK Aegis wrote:
      So late April is too early for the next event... right? How are they going to be releasing this new girl? Quest reward like Akagi? 

      I hope they do a mini event (similar to sanma fishing) in which goodies (present boxes?) can be found on selected maps.

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    • The closest thing the Coast Guard has now, I think, are Medium Endurance Cutters (all hull designations are WMEC) or the ships like the Cyclone-Class Patrol Ship (hull designation PC).

      The real problem that we're having is that each nation had its own designation for ships that had a similar size and role as Kaibokan and Destroyer Escorts; a 'Slow' (~20 knots) ship that favors endurance so it can escort convoys and merchant marines.

      This said, I think that DE is appropraite regardless of whether or not they could use or were equipped with torps. 



      ...and if we are really looking for a '2-3 letter' option, then Kaibokans are DEs, while 'Escort Destroyers' (such as Sammy B.) are DDE. Alternitively, 'Frigate' would also be appropos, as that was what the Royal Navy called ships with these roles, and the USN later adopted this term as well with the hull designation FF.

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    • AnimeFreak40K wrote:
      This said, I think that DE is appropraite regardless of whether or not they could use or were equipped with torps. 

      ...and if we are really looking for a '2-3 letter' option, then Kaibokans are DEs, while 'Escort Destroyers' (such as Sammy B.) are DDE. Alternitively, 'Frigate' would also be appropos, as that was what the Royal Navy called ships with these roles, and the USN later adopted this term as well with the hull designation FF.

      To remind people, Samuel B. is a DE, not a DDE. DE and DDE are not interchangeable and they're not the same thing.

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    • TenkouKuugen wrote:

      I hope they do a mini event (similar to sanma fishing) in which goodies (present boxes?) can be found on selected maps.

      oh right isn't they mentioned spring mini event ?

      i believe it's translated somewhere in our thread

      and suddenly i remembered my matsuwa farming madness orz

      edit :

      oh right i'ts here

      • The KanColle Phase 2 Update will be implemented from a Spring seasonal Mini-Event to the Summer Season

      so far other than taffy 3 member stuff, they seems not informing anything new regarding phase 2 so i'm not sure if that said event is related to either or both new taffy 3 member and phase 2 

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    • AnimeFreak40K wrote:
      Alternitively, 'Frigate' would also be appropos, as that was what the Royal Navy called ships with these roles, and the USN later adopted this term as well with the hull designation FF.

      The Brits used Escort Destroyers, Frigates, Corvettes and Sloops - boy we're gonna have a fun debate if they ever suddenly decided to add one of each in the same update xD (thought just for simplicity I'd still say DE would be fine lol).

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    • Segou wrote:

      EDIT: Why not designate them as Offshore Patrol Vessels (OPV)

      Just a possible option.

      It is an option, kaibokan were virtually OPVs ante-litteram in their original conception as fishery patrol ships with secondary military uses, but I guess it might turn people off for the same apparent reason that PF never became a popular option, the acronym doesn't contain the English word "Escort" that appears in the in-game cards. :rolleyes:

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    • Tsubakura wrote:

      AnimeFreak40K wrote:
      This said, I think that DE is appropraite regardless of whether or not they could use or were equipped with torps. 

      ...and if we are really looking for a '2-3 letter' option, then Kaibokans are DEs, while 'Escort Destroyers' (such as Sammy B.) are DDE. Alternitively, 'Frigate' would also be appropos, as that was what the Royal Navy called ships with these roles, and the USN later adopted this term as well with the hull designation FF.

      To remind people, Samuel B. is a DE, not a DDE. DE and DDE are not interchangeable and they're not the same thing.


      When was the name announced? We don't know who it will be and people are talking like it's a confirmed thing. To think...all the hype just because it's USN xD

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    • No matter what happens in this so waited event for our new USS Ship if her looks was so adourable (Accepted) :). If not the illustrator will going to get blamed and there's a chance that our KC player numbers might decrease :(. I feel that this illustrator wasn't bad at all on all of  his drawings i hope wasn't wrong :)

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    • Seldrick wrote:
      No matter what happens in this so waited event for our new USS Ship if her looks was so adourable (Accepted) :). If not the illustrator will going to get blamed and there's a chance that our KC player numbers might decrease :(. I feel that this illustrator wasn't bad at all on all of  his drawings i hope wasn't wrong :)

      Which illustrator? Either I missed something or it's still unknown who precisely will take first steps into USN destroyers. Unless it's derpy english that causing the issue :)

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    • 193.127.223.11 wrote:

      Tsubakura wrote:

      AnimeFreak40K wrote:
      This said, I think that DE is appropraite regardless of whether or not they could use or were equipped with torps. 

      ...and if we are really looking for a '2-3 letter' option, then Kaibokans are DEs, while 'Escort Destroyers' (such as Sammy B.) are DDE. Alternitively, 'Frigate' would also be appropos, as that was what the Royal Navy called ships with these roles, and the USN later adopted this term as well with the hull designation FF.

      To remind people, Samuel B. is a DE, not a DDE. DE and DDE are not interchangeable and they're not the same thing.


      When was the name announced? We don't know who it will be and people are talking like it's a confirmed thing. To think...all the hype just because it's USN xD

      They announced "a DE from Taffy III who sank after defending Gambier Bay" or something like that. Sammy B is the only one that fits the criteria.

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    • If the ship implemented will be JOHNSTON this late April, i might be laughing how hard you all debate on this DE designation stuff.

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    • Deathmagnum2142 wrote: If the ship implemented will be JOHNSTON this late April, i might be laughing how hard you all debate on this DE designation stuff.

      Johnston is not a DE.

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    • Vcharng wrote:

      Deathmagnum2142 wrote: If the ship implemented will be JOHNSTON this late April, i might be laughing how hard you all debate on this DE designation stuff.

      Johnston is not a DE.

      She's a Fletcher Class Destroyer, Not Escort Destroyer....

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    • AdmiralWhill wrote:
      Vcharng wrote:

      Deathmagnum2142 wrote: If the ship implemented will be JOHNSTON this late April, i might be laughing how hard you all debate on this DE designation stuff.

      Johnston is not a DE.
      She's a Fletcher Class Destroyer, Not Escort Destroyer....

      and thats exactly why he will be laughing

      just imagine we debated over new designation and the one who get implemented is a pure DD

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    • Well, there is a difference between a Destroyer Escort (DE) and Escort Desroyer (DDE)

      Destroyer Escorts are/were budget destroyers meant for endurance and escorting non-military vessels

      Escort Destroyers are/were destroyers modified to function as an escort for fleet operations.

      Kaibokans (IJN) and Frigates (RN) fall into the same design and role as USN DEs (such as Sammy B.)



      What I really see happening is that if the new USN is the Hoel or Johnston, she will be a DD. If the new USN ship is Sammy B, then DE.

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    • escort a convoy???

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    • 天津の風 wrote:

      AdmiralWhill wrote:
      Vcharng wrote:

      Deathmagnum2142 wrote: If the ship implemented will be JOHNSTON this late April, i might be laughing how hard you all debate on this DE designation stuff.

      Johnston is not a DE.
      She's a Fletcher Class Destroyer, Not Escort Destroyer....

      and thats exactly why he will be laughing

      just imagine we debated over new designation and the one who get implemented is a pure DD

      And the devs stated that it will be a Destroyer Escort, why on earth should we expect a DD?

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    • AnimeFreak40K wrote:

      Kaibokans (IJN) and Frigates (RN) fall into the same design and role as USN DEs (such as Sammy B.)

      Nah, only post-Etorofu kaiboukans are more similar to USN DEs, Shimushu's role was more similar to patrol boats. And they use roughly the same design, that's why Japanese Kaiboukans have significantly worse armaments and speeds, as they are practically "using a patrol ship for DE duty".

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    • actually... there are 2 debates going on here...

      1) who is going to be implemented

      - Johnston vs Sam B argument

      - tweet mentioned DE but not everyone is reading it in the same way

      2) should DE be used as a designation for 海防艦s i.e. what should we call them

      - DE vs whatever-else-you-can-think-of

      - historical argument from a year back



      I think a lot of people are conflating the arguments for the 2.. and tbh it makes for an awful read. 

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    • I know I'm late in this discussion.  The way dev mentioned DE I wouldn't be surprised to be Samuel B Roberts which actually fit the designation.  I know there is a lot of debate about US DE roughly similar design as Japanese Kaibokan.  I've noticed the Japanese Kaibokan have many similar quality like US DE design except the power plant which Japanese use Diesel engine instead of Steam Turbine.  Japanese Kaibokan does not have torpedo launcher which US DE have one torpedo launcher.   I'm surprised no one noticed Matsu class DD.  Matsu class DD have similar displacement, high AA, high ASW, one torpedo launcher, 12.7cm guns and Steam turbine power plant.  Speed is roughly similar 25 to 27 knots.

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    • Vcharng wrote:

      AnimeFreak40K wrote:

      Kaibokans (IJN) and Frigates (RN) fall into the same design and role as USN DEs (such as Sammy B.)

      Nah, only post-Etorofu kaiboukans are more similar to USN DEs, Shimushu's role was more similar to patrol boats. And they use roughly the same design, that's why Japanese Kaiboukans have significantly worse armaments and speeds, as they are practically "using a patrol ship for DE duty".

      Except that is *exactly* how the USN identified Kaiboukans.

      The USN identified them as 'Escort Ships' and were seen as the equivilent as Frigates (Royal Navy) and Destroyer Escorts (USN). 

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    • To refer to my earlier post, I really wouldn't be surprised if they classified the new USN DE as a 海防艦 lol. The DE were later classified as Ocean Escort and Ocean is just basically 海洋. To give more insight to the Matsu-class since she will be mentioned sooner or later, the Matsu-class is classified as a DE according to the western specifications, but is treated as a 駆逐艦 == DD in the IJN, mainly because the term DE doesn't exist in the IJN at that time. This is also the reason why things can go both ways, because it is just as possible that they're going to say, screw it and label the USN DE as a 駆逐艦.

      Also, considering that the tweet mentioned 護衛駆逐艦, it really is undisputed that it's Sammy B, so I don't know why people are still bringing this up.

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    • AnimeFreak40K wrote:

      Vcharng wrote:

      AnimeFreak40K wrote:

      Kaibokans (IJN) and Frigates (RN) fall into the same design and role as USN DEs (such as Sammy B.)

      Nah, only post-Etorofu kaiboukans are more similar to USN DEs, Shimushu's role was more similar to patrol boats. And they use roughly the same design, that's why Japanese Kaiboukans have significantly worse armaments and speeds, as they are practically "using a patrol ship for DE duty".

      Except that is *exactly* how the USN identified Kaiboukans.

      The USN identified them as 'Escort Ships' and were seen as the equivilent as Frigates (Royal Navy) and Destroyer Escorts (USN). 

      Well then the USN are wrong, easy and simple. Also, the USN identifies RN Frigates as "PF", so if they really say that, they are saying the DE=PF, which is definitely wrong. It is also a common practice to refer to the Matsu-class as DE, which is clearly larger than the Kaiboukans.

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    • Tsubakura wrote: To refer to my earlier post, I really wouldn't be surprised if they classified the new USN DE as a 海防艦 lol. The DE were later classified as Ocean Escort and Ocean is just basically 海洋. To give more insight to the Matsu-class since she will be mentioned sooner or later, the Matsu-class is classified as a DE according to the western specifications, but is treated as a 駆逐艦 == DD in the IJN, mainly because the term DE doesn't exist in the IJN at that time. This is also the reason why things can go both ways, because it is just as possible that they're going to say, screw it and label the USN DE as a 駆逐艦.

      Also, considering that the tweet mentioned 護衛駆逐艦, it really is undisputed that it's Sammy B, so I don't know why people are still bringing this up.

      Japanese wiki translates Ocean Escort quite literally as "航洋護衛艦", not 海防艦. It does note that Japanese KB and US DE shares the same purpose though.
      I'm wondering that if Tanaka really is going to refer to US DE as 海防艦, then why on earth is he stating this "護衛駆逐艦"? I would say that since they came up with a different term they will implement it as a different category. If it is to share API with a pre-existing category, it's gonna be DD and not KB.

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    • Tsubakura wrote: To refer to my earlier post, I really wouldn't be surprised if they classified the new USN DE as a 海防艦 lol. The DE were later classified as Ocean Escort and Ocean is just basically 海洋. To give more insight to the Matsu-class since she will be mentioned sooner or later, the Matsu-class is classified as a DE according to the western specifications, but is treated as a 駆逐艦 == DD in the IJN, mainly because the term DE doesn't exist in the IJN at that time. This is also the reason why things can go both ways, because it is just as possible that they're going to say, screw it and label the USN DE as a 駆逐艦.

      Also, considering that the tweet mentioned 護衛駆逐艦, it really is undisputed that it's Sammy B, so I don't know why people are still bringing this up.

      I do prefer to use ww2-era hull classifications than the latter one btw as we just only bicker to further confusion.

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    • Dandan550 wrote:
      I do prefer to use ww2-era hull classifications than the latter one btw as we just only bicker to further confusion.

      As we currently have no idea how they will implement the new USN DEs, I'm laying out every possible connections and hints that elaborates the possibilities. Preferably, we would want to use ww2-era classifications, but we can't ignore the possibility that they're using post-ww2 references as a basis to implement this new ship. After all, the IJN during the ww2 era has no such thing as "Destroyer Escorts", yet the tweet clearly states 護衛駆逐艦.

      With that said, the discussion has been going off the rails for a while now. We know for sure an USN DE is getting implemented, but we don't know how they will do it. But, we do know that there exists 3 possible scenarios as to how they could implement it and there's a clear cut plan in each scenario:

      1. The USN DE gets implemented as a slow DD. The designation of DE -> Kaiboukan would look silly in this case and as mentioned before, people will have to reconsider their stance of whether they really should keep using DE -> Kaiboukan.
      2. The USN DE gets implemented as a DE, completely with its own unique API value. Our current DE designation on Kaiboukan has to be replaced, this cannot be disputed.
      3. The USN DE gets implemented as a Kaiboukan. Nothing exciting happens in this case and the USN DEs and Kaiboukan coexists as DEs. Personally, I think this is the most likeliest outcome.

      While I've given my thoughts about it, I was interested as to what the others think about it. In case we do end up having to replace the current DE designation for Kaiboukan, I did mention things like KB and EE along the line, but I'm also interested as to what other people's thoughts and alternatives are.

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    • Tsubakura wrote:

      The USN DE gets implemented as a Kaiboukan. Nothing exciting happens in this case and the USN DEs and Kaiboukan coexists as DEs. Personally, I think this is the most likeliest outcome.

      Most definitely not, they already stated "Destroyer escorts" instead of "American Kaiboukans". It will be silly to have a category with a name "destroyer" being introduced as Kaiboukan (which is anything but a destroyer) And we still have the torpedo problem.

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    • Vcharng wrote:

      Well then the USN are wrong, easy and simple. Also, the USN identifies RN Frigates as "PF", so if they really say that, they are saying the DE=PF, which is definitely wrong. It is also a common practice to refer to the Matsu-class as DE, which is clearly larger than the Kaiboukans.

      No, it means that the USN treated/identified RN Frigates as PFs and IJN Kaibokans as DEs because that is what the role those ships had.

      Remember, the USN identifies and classifies ships based on their battlefield role. Hull size, displacement and equipment is not as much of a factor unless those things dictate a ship's role.

      ...and for greater hilarity at some point, the USN decided to dump all the different designations that were running around for these ships and just call them all 'Frigates' (FF).

      The fact of the matter is that different nations have different methods and means of identifying their stuff and the stuff of other nations. This does not make any one description more or less correct (or incorrect), just different.

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    • Vcharng wrote:
      Most definitely not, they already stated "Destroyer escorts" instead of "American Kaiboukans". It will be silly to have a category with a name "destroyer" being introduced as Kaiboukan (which is anything but a destroyer) And we still have the torpedo problem.

      Don't forget that while the shipcard icon reads as 海防, the actual English name on shipcard is "Escort", which essentially fits with "Destroyer Escort" and basically any vessel that is smaller than a DD during that time. 護衛 basically means "Escort", so the USN DE being put in the same category as the Kaiboukans is just as likely, regardless whether it's historically correct for them to call the USN DEs a 海防艦 or not.

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    • Tsubakura wrote:

      Vcharng wrote:
      Most definitely not, they already stated "Destroyer escorts" instead of "American Kaiboukans". It will be silly to have a category with a name "destroyer" being introduced as Kaiboukan (which is anything but a destroyer) And we still have the torpedo problem.

      Don't forget that while the shipcard icon reads as 海防, the actual English name on shipcard is "Escort", which essentially fits with "Destroyer Escort" and basically any vessel that is smaller than a DD during that time. 護衛 basically means "Escort", so the USN DE being put in the same category as the Kaiboukans is just as likely, regardless whether it's historically correct for them to call the USN DEs a 海防艦 or not.

      They translated 海防艦 into Escort, but not the other way around, enough said.
      Also, 護衛 in 護衛駆逐艦, just like "escort" in "destroyer escort (or reversed)", is an adjective, the Escort (ship) in the ship card is a noun, using 護衛 as a noun will be a big problem in modern Japanese context as all their JMSDF's surface ships, including helicopter carriers, are known as 護衛艦 (escort ship), which means this is something the devs, as modern Japanese, will never do.
      By using the term 護衛(adj.)駆逐艦(n.), they have dictated that the US DE is essentially a destroyer.

      Aaaaand the torpedo thing, don't forget that.
      Also please think about how a Kaiboukan could represent the performance of Sammy B. It can't, quite flatly.

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    • AnimeFreak40K wrote: Remember, the USN identifies and classifies ships based on their battlefield role. Hull size, displacement and equipment is not as much of a factor unless those things dictate a ship's role.

      ...which is why they fucked up and gave KB a wrong classification.
      Also please remember, the USN never had a chance to see the TRUE role of post-Shimushu KBs, as they were designed against Russia, not US. What the USN saw was the improvised usage of these fishery patrol ships as DEs, and they classified the KBs according to this usage, unaware of the fact that it was not the initial purpose.

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    • Vcharng wrote:
      They translated 海防艦 into Escort, but not the other way around, enough said.
      Also, 護衛 in 護衛駆逐艦, just like "escort" in "destroyer escort (or reversed)", is an adjective, the Escort (ship) in the ship card is a noun, using 護衛 as a noun will be a big problem in modern Japanese context as all their JMSDF's surface ships, including helicopter carriers, are known as 護衛艦 (escort ship), which means this is something the devs, as modern Japanese, will never do.
      By using the term 護衛(adj.)駆逐艦(n.), they have dictated that the US DE is essentially a destroyer.

      Aaaaand the torpedo thing, don't forget that.
      Also please think about how a Kaiboukan could represent the performance of Sammy B. It can't, quite flatly.

      The only thing I've put out is that the possibility exists and none of your arguments so far actually disproves it, it merely lowers the probability of it happening, which is kinda useless because we will find out how it will be implemented sooner or later lol.

      You would probably insist on PF if the Kaiboukan gets a change, but what are your thoughts on the other classifications? =w=

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    • Vcharng wrote:

      ...which is why they fucked up and gave KB a wrong classification.
      Also please remember, the USN never had a chance to see the TRUE role of post-Shimushu KBs, as they were designed against Russia, not US. What the USN saw was the improvised usage of these fishery patrol ships as DEs, and they classified the KBs according to this usage, unaware of the fact that it was not the initial purpose.

      Did they?

      I'm pretty certain that the hundreds (if not thousands) of sailors, scouts, observers, historians and naval officers over the course of WWII and in the years after were not just slinging names and designations around willy-nilly. I am also fairly certain that the Department of the Navy, even in the 1940's had a *pretty* good idea of what a given ship's role was on the battlefield; improvised or intentional.

      Let me put all of this another way:

      the USN used the term 'Escort Ship' to describe the Kaibokan. This is the equivalent to USN Destroyer Escorts in that they had the following traits:
      - A warship
      - Traveled at or around 20 knots
      - Designed with endurance in mind (that is, long distance travel as opposed to speed)
      - Escort mid-ocean convoys

      The fact of the matter is that this was a decision that was made 70+ years ago, and was documented as such. You don't have to like it, but you do have to accept it.

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    • @AnimeFreak40K
      Actually, I will have to interject here, because the ONI was actually infamous during the WW2 for the constant false information. Among things they did was putting wrong ships together in the same class to straight out making up their own class names. Disputes like these are actually still ongoing to this day among the historians, so I wouldn't take the proof you have obtained as certain, especially if they are old ONI documents. Aside, discussions about DE != Kaiboukan is pretty irrelevant at this point, so stick to the debate topic please.

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    • ...meh... I'm not even sure how I got wrapped up in a topic that, ulitimately, means next to nothing.

      I mean, it's not like the Devs have a history of being consistantly clear when they give out hints, or that there's a language barrier to the point that 'Escort Destroyer' could be used as a classification or a description depending on how one wants to read and/or interpret the verbiage. Making things worse is the fact that the Devs have also been willing to ignore historical accuracy when it suits them...so there is really no point in arguing the matter.

      The way I figure it (and I believe this was mentioned before by you), we are going to get one of the following:

      - A Destroyer Escort (Sammy B.) that will will have the same in-game values with regard to expeditions, routing and such as the Kaibokans already present...but she but also happens to have a Torpedo Stat and can equip Torpedos.
      - An Escort Destroyer (Johnston or Hoel), that will have the same in-game values as a Destroyer.

      Given some of the exceptions they've done in the past with different ships despite being in the same class/type, I wouldn't be surprised with either outcome.

      I put myself in the "I'm just happy the devs are giving us more 'foreign ships' and I want to see what they're going to do" camp and I really should start acting like it.

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    • AnimeFreak40K wrote: - An Escort Destroyer (Johnston or Hoel), that will have the same in-game values as a Destroyer.

      Just a reminder: Both Johnston and Hoel are DD, not DDE.

      Right, let's get back to the new USN DE, forget about USN being well or not-so-well educated in how to classify ships.
      Is it possible to fit the new DE into KB? It...WAS. That is, before they used the term "destroyer" to describe the new DE.
      Remember, the devs would see this in a Japanese perspective, not a USN one. From the Japanese perspective, KB is a bloody patrol ship, something you would probably assign to coast guard instead of navy in modern days. (Japan didn't have a coast guard before 1945) and all KBs, if put in the right era, would be exempt from the London/Washington treaty. DEs, on the other hand, are mostly defined as a destroyer under the same criteria (due to being faster than 20 kt and/ or having torpedoes). Now, don't give me shit about Japan being absent in the 2nd London Treaty, these treaties were very important in defining ship categories, such as creating the whole definition of "light" and "heavy" cruisers, even after its expiration.

      Now, game-wise speaking, KB+torpedo or destroyers? Think about this: what will happen in each case scenario?
      1. KB+torp: KBs are now almost entirely used for ASW, while Sammy B was famous for her surface combat. You can tamper with the stats and give her a good reflection of her IRL counterpart, but that would make Sammy B de facto very different from the rest of KBs, despite being "officially" a KB.
      2. Destroyer, either DE or DD: DD is currently the most diverse category, we have AA DD, surface attack DD, ASW DD, transport DD, you name it. The impact made by introducing Sammy B into the "greater DD" category is negligible, especially given the fact that we are already expecting the Matsu class, which are also transport/escort DDs. Some of the US DEs are converted into high speed transports (just like the relationship between Matsu and Nr.1 class transport), which means it would be preferable to allow US DEs to carry daihatsus in order to reflect this in the game.

      Therefore I see absolutely no reason to put DEs, especially torpedo-capable post-Evarts DEs, as KBs. Either DE as an independent category or as a subclass of DD is far more doable.

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    • There is actually one more reason why US DEs will not be classified as KB: Japanese bias.
      Tanaka has repeatedly using stuffs in his power to stop any category of ships being dominated by foreign ships, either by screwing up the stats (U-511), limiting how they could be obtained (Iowa), or putting them against better Japanese counterparts (Iowa and Saratoga CVB).
      If Sammy B is to be a KB, there will be no Japanese counterpart to rival, let alone surpass her (and her probable sisters), however, if they are introduced as a special variant of DDs, they can be easily rivaled by other "fleet" DDs, as well as Japan's upcoming Matsu-class.

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    • Vcharng wrote:
      There is actually one more reason why US DEs will not be classified as KB: Japanese bias.

      Japanese bias in a Japanese game catered to Japanese people portraying the Japanese side of WW2 using the Japanese WW2 classification system (a.k.a. jp wikipedia) =w=

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      I would lol'd if the foreign DE is designated as Escort w/ Kaiboukan kanji but refers to herself as 護衛駆逐艦 :v

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    • Kenji135 wrote:

      Vcharng wrote:
      There is actually one more reason why US DEs will not be classified as KB: Japanese bias.

      Japanese bias in a Japanese game catered to Japanese people portraying the Japanese side of WW2 using the Japanese WW2 classification system (a.k.a. jp wikipedia) =w=

      ---

      I would lol'd if the foreign DE is designated as Escort w/ Kaiboukan kanji but refers to herself as 護衛駆逐艦 :v

      That's exactly why I don't think that'll happen, it's just way too hilarious.

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    • A murican ASW loli now? Right after the event which had a pair of japanese ones, a tommy with ASW stat two points shy of the highest in the game, a comrade who can do basically anything, a shitty CVE and a not-shitty CVE? No thanks. I don't think I need that much ASW for one map once per month and another once per season. Take a cold shower, game.

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    • TTK Aegis wrote:
      So late April is too early for the next event... right? How are they going to be releasing this new girl? Quest reward like Akagi? 

      as long as it isn't having to collect pieces from loot crates, I'm good. 

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    • Well, I am not expert in USN naming and classification, nor I am in japanese grammar. But I think you guys are overdoing it right now. We got some pretty juicy piece of information already and have our candidate. I get the hype for new foreign shipgirl, it's always fun (especially after a little disappointment that was Intrepid) but don't burst the expectations bubble, ok? ;) 

      If I can voice my opinion, here goes: Looking at it through technical data, we can deduce that our No. 1 Candidate, Samuel B. Roberts, had slightly lower parameters (displacement, dimensions, armaments, etc.) than Mutsuki-class DDs. But she was offcially classified as Destroyer Escort by USN. So...

      Idea 1: Giving us reasonable destroyer that gets some special treatment in relation to stats and gets appropriate personality.

      Idea 2: We will get what's basically a Yuudachi/Taszkient equivalent of a DE (pretty OP in her respective ship type). Maybe simply a combat DE?

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    • > Illustrator who has been cheering for KanColle for a long time

      Aoyama Gosho LOL

      Aka Ringo

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    • stats wise, both  Johnston and Sammy B have high luck, but JOHNSTON wins for usability, cuz DDs are more used in this game

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    • Deathmagnum2142 wrote:
      stats wise, both  Johnston and Sammy B have high luck, but JOHNSTON wins for usability, cuz DDs are more used in this game


      Luck? Excuse me Luck? more like bad luck of getting pounded by Musashi's "Kurita Punch" and Kongou's "Burning Love" in battle of Leyte gulf....... Both of them with Gambier_Bay sunk by Kurita fleet....

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    • Musashi was already at the bottom of the sea by that point, pounded  to oblivion by planes from Intrepid...

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    • AdmiralWhill wrote:
      Deathmagnum2142 wrote:
      stats wise, both  Johnston and Sammy B have high luck, but JOHNSTON wins for usability, cuz DDs are more used in this game
      Luck? Excuse me Luck? more like bad luck of getting pounded by Musashi's "Kurita Punch" and Kongou's "Burning Love" in battle of Leyte gulf.......

      Both of them with Gambier_Bay sunk by Kurita fleet....

      First of all Musashi didn't even get to use her fists on any of the Taffy 3 Members, she was busy swatting members of Halsey's Fleet near Palawan. Those were Yamato's Luxury hotel shots.

      Their luck, unlike Gambier Bay, will be high (not Yukikaze or Zuikaku high) because they managed to stop the advance of the Kurita Fleet and made them lose three cruisers in battle. That is high luck in a worst case scenario.

      They got the short stick of the whole US Fleet, but fared better than anyone else that operated in the area, especially when compared against the Nishimura Fleet (they got the worst luck out of the whole event).

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    • Segou wrote:
      AdmiralWhill wrote:
      Deathmagnum2142 wrote:
      stats wise, both  Johnston and Sammy B have high luck, but JOHNSTON wins for usability, cuz DDs are more used in this game
      Luck? Excuse me Luck? more like bad luck of getting pounded by Musashi's "Kurita Punch" and Kongou's "Burning Love" in battle of Leyte gulf.......

      Both of them with Gambier_Bay sunk by Kurita fleet....

      First of all Musashi didn't even get to use her fists on any of the Taffy 3 Members, she was busy swatting members of Halsey's Fleet near Palawan. Those were Yamato's Luxury hotel shots.

      Their luck, unlike Gambier Bay, will be high (not Yukikaze or Zuikaku high) because they managed to stop the advance of the Kurita Fleet and made them lose three cruisers in battle. That is high luck in a worst case scenario.

      They got the short stick of the whole US Fleet, but fared better than anyone else that operated in the area, especially when compared against the Nishimura Fleet (they got the worst luck out of the whole event).

      In the end, the luck stats is going to be based not just on one battle, but the entirety of the career (even if they haven't done anything in particular).

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    • Oh gosh, does this mean I need Ms. Gambier in order to get this escort? 

      i literally lost the event i didn't get through first map... wanted trashcan so badly

      I have high hopes for the new illustrator though! 

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    • Royal Sovereign (05) wrote:

      In the end, the luck stats is going to be based not just on one battle, but the entirety of the career (even if they haven't done anything in particular).

      Unless you're Tashkent in which you somehow have super high luck despite being sunk in 1942 lol.

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    • Re.lolucina wrote: Oh gosh, does this mean I need Ms. Gambier in order to get this escort? 

      i literally lost the event i didn't get through first map... wanted trashcan so badly

      I have high hopes for the new illustrator though! 

      Doubt they will release a new ship only to have it to have an Event-only ship as a requirement to obtain.

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    • Saumarez wrote:
      Royal Sovereign (05) wrote:

      In the end, the luck stats is going to be based not just on one battle, but the entirety of the career (even if they haven't done anything in particular).

      Unless you're Tashkent in which you somehow have super high luck despite being sunk in 1942 lol.

      There's a simple anwser to that, comrade: [Soviet Anthem Starts Playing] RUUUuuuuSSSYYiiiiAAAaaa

      (Maybe it's because she was only one completed and had some lucky moments facing against Germans)

      Regarding new USN girl, bonus luck isn't given out for random bushido moments but for overall stories of the ship. Notice that our good Solomon Demon Poi~Dachi gets 20 luck for her one-time spotlight show.

      In contrast, Warspite is veteran of 2 great wars, Iowa and Intrepid are museum ships, Yukikaze and Shigure were called "Miracle" and "Indestructible"  destroyers respectively even during service. And Subs have high luck because of snipe-shots (Goya) and lucky world touring (RO and Lui)

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    • Rizgis wrote:
      Saumarez wrote:
      Royal Sovereign (05) wrote:

      In the end, the luck stats is going to be based not just on one battle, but the entirety of the career (even if they haven't done anything in particular).

      Unless you're Tashkent in which you somehow have super high luck despite being sunk in 1942 lol.
      There's a simple anwser to that, comrade: [Soviet Anthem Starts Playing] RUUUuuuuSSSYYiiiiAAAaaa

      (Maybe it's because she was only one completed and had some lucky moments facing against Germans)

      Regarding new USN girl, bonus luck isn't given out for random bushido moments but for overall stories of the ship. Notice that our good Solomon Demon Poi~Dachi gets 20 luck for her one-time spotlight show.

      In contrast, Warspite is veteran of 2 great wars, Iowa and Intrepid are museum ships, Yukikaze and Shigure were called "Miracle" and "Indestructible"  destroyers respectively even during service. And Subs have high luck because of snipe-shots (Goya) and lucky world touring (RO and Lui)

      There is 1 GOOD REASON as for why, for example,  JOHNSTON, during her 1st charge, torpedo attack, she never got hit during this action, she only got hit by Kongou and Yamato only after she hit Kumano's bow off. In such cases, you she should been hit several times when closing in, but she didnt. evading shells are IRL is very RNG(in a sense), thus its reasonable to justify her high luck, same for SAMMY B, for her 3 salvo torpedo spread(unlike fletcher 10 torp), to be able to hit a target Choukai, is already considered very lucky. during Battle of Samar, both of them are the only escort-screening-ships with torpedos to able to hit their targets.

      Adding White Plains Lucky DETONATION on Choukai with only 1 5 inch gun or her torpedo mount, thats one hell of a luck. and the same time, Gambier Bay and Saint Lo should have ;low luck, but seeing Gambier having ordinary luck of 12 and 15 in Kai kind of, wrong to me. or is possibly the debate which Johnston or Gambier Bay's TBM on Kumano torpedo hit.

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    • Come on boys when will they introduce monitor warships :D

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    • Tissuebox wrote:
      Come on boys when will they introduce monitor warships :D

      Only Britain even used them in WW2 lol, but hey I'd take them - they'd be rubbish statwise but they'd be lolis with BB guns which makes it all worthwhile xD.

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    • Deathmagnum2142 wrote:
      Rizgis wrote:
      Saumarez wrote:
      Royal Sovereign (05) wrote:

      In the end, the luck stats is going to be based not just on one battle, but the entirety of the career (even if they haven't done anything in particular).

      Unless you're Tashkent in which you somehow have super high luck despite being sunk in 1942 lol.
      [My previous comment, yep]
      There is 1 GOOD REASON as for why, for example,  JOHNSTON, during her 1st charge, torpedo attack, she never got hit during this action, she only got hit by Kongou and Yamato only after she hit Kumano's bow off. In such cases, you she should been hit several times when closing in, but she didnt. evading shells are IRL is very RNG(in a sense), thus its reasonable to justify her high luck, same for SAMMY B, for her 3 salvo torpedo spread(unlike fletcher 10 torp), to be able to hit a target Choukai, is already considered very lucky. during Battle of Samar, both of them are the only escort-screening-ships with torpedos to able to hit their targets.

      Adding White Plains Lucky DETONATION on Choukai with only 1 5 inch gun or her torpedo mount, thats one hell of a luck. and the same time, Gambier Bay and Saint Lo should have ;low luck, but seeing Gambier having ordinary luck of 12 and 15 in Kai kind of, wrong to me. or is possibly the debate which Johnston or Gambier Bay's TBM on Kumano torpedo hit.

      I get what you're trying to say but it's still not good enough reason. You're kinda repeating yourself there.

      If what you're saying is to be valid, then why doesn't Bismarck get bonus luck for one-shot of HMS Hood, why doesn't Ark Royal get bonus luck for crippling Bismarck on last second. Shigure gets bonus luck for her career, not for cmndr. Hara's longest range Destroyer-based torpedo kill. Musashi doesn't get bonus luck for being heroic bullet-sponge (thus saving Yamato).

      Long story short: For one to get high luck, they must have "lucky career", "lucky moment" doesn't count that much. And if you browse through Ship List, you will notice this pattern.

      I get you're really hyped for new USN DD and want her to be best possible, but let's not stretch it too far, shall we? :)

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    • Royal Sovereign (05) wrote:
      Oh! The American destroyer will be drawn by a new artist. I hope this will turn out good.

      Suddenly Shibafu's desciple. 

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    • Saumarez wrote:

      Tissuebox wrote:
      Come on boys when will they introduce monitor warships :D

      Only Britain even used them in WW2 lol, but hey I'd take them - they'd be rubbish statwise but they'd be lolis with BB guns which makes it all worthwhile xD.

      The other 2 games have them and the latter had an unique gimmick that makes them fatal against Land-base Himes if I recall. I assure KC is just checking what to do with that.

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    • Dandan550 wrote:

      Saumarez wrote:

      Tissuebox wrote:
      Come on boys when will they introduce monitor warships :D
      Only Britain even used them in WW2 lol, but hey I'd take them - they'd be rubbish statwise but they'd be lolis with BB guns which makes it all worthwhile xD.

      The other 2 games have them and the latter had an unique gimmick that makes them fatal against Land-base Himes if I recall. I assure KC is just checking what to do with that.


      If Devs really wanted to match the competition, they'd do some basic things such as upping game's resolution. When you look at it, Kancolle is game from slightly different time and you can really see it sometimes (Takao class, I'm looking at you). Personally I'd like some more life in this game (2DLive is justice)

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    • 62.178.120.164 wrote:
      Royal Sovereign (05) wrote:
      Oh! The American destroyer will be drawn by a new artist. I hope this will turn out good.
      Suddenly Shibafu's desciple. 


      That'd be the day Tanaka got dragged out of his office and fired from naval gun (Mikasa's)

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    • Rizgis wrote:
      Dandan550 wrote:

      Saumarez wrote:


      Tissuebox wrote:
      Come on boys when will they introduce monitor warships :D
      Only Britain even used them in WW2 lol, but hey I'd take them - they'd be rubbish statwise but they'd be lolis with BB guns which makes it all worthwhile xD.
      The other 2 games have them and the latter had an unique gimmick that makes them fatal against Land-base Himes if I recall. I assure KC is just checking what to do with that.


      If Devs really wanted to match the competition, they'd do some basic things such as upping game's resolution. When you look at it, Kancolle is game from slightly different time and you can really see it sometimes (Takao class, I'm looking at you). Personally I'd like some more life in this game (2DLive is justice)

      Actually, they said in the tweet that with migration to html5 they'll up the resolution.

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    • Saumarez wrote:
      Tissuebox wrote:
      Come on boys when will they introduce monitor warships :D
      Only Britain even used them in WW2 lol, but hey I'd take them - they'd be rubbish statwise but they'd be lolis with BB guns which makes it all worthwhile xD.

      Italy used them as well, and at least one Italian Monitor served with Germany after Italy Surrendered. Further, if you expand the category to include all coastal battleships, you can include ships like Sverige and the Japanese built Thonburi .

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      • looking at KC arcade and incoming LLSIF-AS*

      i hope we get live 2D soon XD

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    • Sebsmith wrote:
      Saumarez wrote:
      Tissuebox wrote:
      Come on boys when will they introduce monitor warships :D
      Only Britain even used them in WW2 lol, but hey I'd take them - they'd be rubbish statwise but they'd be lolis with BB guns which makes it all worthwhile xD.
      Italy used them as well, and at least one Italian Monitor served with Germany after Italy Surrendered. Further, if you expand the category to include all coastal battleships, you can include ships like Sverige and the Japanese built Thonburi .

      How about adding Kaiboukan's k2 and let them equip large caliber naval gun? :P

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    • 天津の風 wrote:
      *looking at KC arcade and incoming LLSIF-AS*

      i hope we get live 2D soon XD

      Seconded. Browser version aside, they would make a ton of money if they ported KC arcade to consoles. I would throw so much money at a KanColle VR edition.

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    • DC23A wrote:
      天津の風 wrote:
      *looking at KC arcade and incoming LLSIF-AS*

      i hope we get live 2D soon XD

      Seconded. Browser version aside, they would make a ton of money if they ported KC arcade to consoles. I would throw so much money at a KanColle VR edition.

      Behold, Wedding Ceremony in VR! New hot stuff! Also hang out in the office with your favourite waifu, special intimacy mode available as well!

      All that for just 700$ plus shipping!

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    • Rizgis wrote:
      DC23A wrote:
      天津の風 wrote:
      *looking at KC arcade and incoming LLSIF-AS*

      i hope we get live 2D soon XD

      Seconded. Browser version aside, they would make a ton of money if they ported KC arcade to consoles. I would throw so much money at a KanColle VR edition.
      Behold, Wedding Ceremony in VR! New hot stuff! Also hang out in the office with your favourite waifu, special intimacy mode available as well!

      All that for just 700$ plus shipping!

      Takemymoney
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    • Rizgis wrote:

      Wedding Ceremony

      No, bathtime. No need for buckets when the admiral can lovingly massage his shipfus back to good health in realtime VR.

      Katsuragi momimomi

      You gonna get momimomi'd.

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    • DC23A wrote:
      Rizgis wrote:

      Wedding Ceremony

      No, bathtime. No need for buckets when the admiral can lovingly massage his shipfus back to good health in realtime VR.
      Katsuragi momimomi

      You gonna get momimomi'd.

      Well, we DO have Katsuragi in here...Altough it's a little different Katsuragi.

      Speaking of which...who could be considered Kancolle's resident perv?

      Katsuragi is Senran Kagura's but here...hm...

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    • 193.127.223.11 wrote:

      DC23A wrote:
      Rizgis wrote:

      Wedding Ceremony

      No, bathtime. No need for buckets when the admiral can lovingly massage his shipfus back to good health in realtime VR.
      Katsuragi momimomi

      You gonna get momimomi'd.

      Well, we DO have Katsuragi in here...Altough it's a little different Katsuragi.

      Speaking of which...who could be considered Kancolle's resident perv?

      Katsuragi is Senran Kagura's but here...hm...

      Well, Akigumo is a special doujin artist, Sendai loves night battles (which one?), and Zuihous third secretary line is also interesting

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    • I'm surprised that you guys go on about the resident perv and you don't even consider Iku. Seriously, there's a reason why she's considered to be a lewd-marine.

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    • I dont recall Sammy B trying to save Gambier Bay, rather, it was Johnston, no matter how much i read the hint again adn again, it only leads me to believe to be Johnston. base on several article indicating this.

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    • Deathmagnum2142 wrote: I dont recall Sammy B trying to save Gambier Bay, rather, it was Johnston, no matter how much i read the hint again adn again, it only leads me to believe to be Johnston. base on several article indicating this.

      Seems like someone wasn't paying attention to the discussion. The ships who makes part of the Taffy III that were trying to save Gambier Bay are DD Hoel, DD Johnston and DE Sammy B. The tweet blatantly says 護衛駆逐艦, which refers to a Destroyer Escort. Consider that there's really only 1 DE in the list I just mentioned, you don't really have much of a choice left here.

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    • Deathmagnum2142 wrote: I dont recall Sammy B trying to save Gambier Bay, rather, it was Johnston, no matter how much i read the hint again adn again, it only leads me to believe to be Johnston. base on several article indicating this.

      Then you definitely forgot to read "DESTROYER ESCORT", the MOST and ONLY important word in the whole hint.

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    • Vcharng wrote:

      Deathmagnum2142 wrote: I dont recall Sammy B trying to save Gambier Bay, rather, it was Johnston, no matter how much i read the hint again adn again, it only leads me to believe to be Johnston. base on several article indicating this.

      Then you definitely forgot to read "DESTROYER ESCORT", the MOST and ONLY important word in the whole hint.

      Just to point out that the words 'destroyer escort' might not actually refer to the ship type designation, because there's the possiblility that it simply means a destroyer who was escorting.

      There's destroyer escort as in the ship class, but there's also destroyer escort in the sense of the group of destroyers screening a fleet.



      While it probably does refer to DE and thereby would be Sammy there's still some vagueness.

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    • Saumarez wrote:

      Vcharng wrote:

      Deathmagnum2142 wrote: I dont recall Sammy B trying to save Gambier Bay, rather, it was Johnston, no matter how much i read the hint again adn again, it only leads me to believe to be Johnston. base on several article indicating this.

      Then you definitely forgot to read "DESTROYER ESCORT", the MOST and ONLY important word in the whole hint.

      Just to point out that the words 'destroyer escort' might not actually refer to the ship type designation, because there's the possiblility that it simply means a destroyer who was escorting.

      There's destroyer escort as in the ship class, but there's also destroyer escort in the sense of the group of destroyers screening a fleet.



      While it probably does refer to DE and thereby would be Sammy there's still some vagueness.

      No, there isn't such a vagueness.
      an "escorting destroyer" would be known as escort destroyer (which coincides with the ship category of DDE), not "Destroyer Escort"
      And in Japanese, 護衛駆逐艦 is exclusively used as a category for ships. For your meaning they would use 随伴艦 (escorts) or 随伴駆逐艦 (escortING destroyers)

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    • latest COMPTIQ leads us: - new ship on 4/23 - fletcher implementation, This is nothing but a big hint, right? :D So, how many of you still expecting a DE this 23rd? just qoute me.

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    • Deathmagnum2142 wrote: latest COMPTIQ leads us: - new ship on 4/23 - fletcher implementation, This is nothing but a big hint, right? :D So, how many of you still expecting a DE this 23rd? just qoute me.

      Are you still at it? (facepalm) If you took a moment to read the news, we're talking about 2 new US ship releases. DE is like 200% confirmed now and any more mention of saying its otherwise is like claiming that the earth is flat. Sometimes, I wonder even how dense some people can be really.

      Anyway, since there will be a Fletcher class that is getting introduced, one is to assume it will be another ship that is part of Taffy III. That leaves Hoel, Johnston and Heerman.

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    • Some people keep forgetting that the devs has a tendency of giving more than just one destroyer.

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    • Inb4 Drop in World 6-5 Kappa

      But jokes aside, hope it's Quest Reward.

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      Inb4 Drop in World 6-5 Kappa

      But jokes aside, hope it's Quest Reward.

      I hope that the new US ships will let us LSC Iowa, like with Bismark via Z1 or Saratoga via Kamoi.

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    • FogRepairShipAkashi wrote:

      Shinhwalee wrote:
      Inb4 Drop in World 6-5 Kappa

      But jokes aside, hope it's Quest Reward.

      I hope that the new US ships will let us LSC Iowa, like with Bismark via Z1 or Saratoga via Kamoi.

      Depends on whether the Devs officially announce it out saying it's possible (in case of Iowa, she needs to be added into LSC in the first place).

      In case of constructing Saratoga though, if Devs don't announce whether it's possible or not, it's up to a brave player to try it out instead =w=;

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    • What about via expedition quest? Wasn't that how we get Z1 Lebe?

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    • Deathmagnum2142 wrote: latest COMPTIQ leads us: - new ship on 4/23 - fletcher implementation, This is nothing but a big hint, right? :D So, how many of you still expecting a DE this 23rd? just qoute me.

      Fletcher is NOT coming in April 23, read it properly, stupid.
      http://kancolle.doorblog.jp/archives/53283278.html
      4/23に5周年記念となる新しいイラストレーターさんの新艦娘を投入準備中
      >サミュエル・B・ロバーツ(先月号とかツイッターとかの流れより)
      フレッチャー級も実装予定

      The Japanese sources are CLEARLY making Sammy B and Fletcher TWO INDEPENDENT incidents, referring to TWO INDEPENDENT IMPLEMENTATIONS.

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      Inb4 Drop in World 6-5 Kappa

      But jokes aside, hope it's Quest Reward.

      S rank 5-5 3 times with a torpedo squadron.

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    • Vcharng wrote:

      Deathmagnum2142 wrote: latest COMPTIQ leads us: - new ship on 4/23 - fletcher implementation, This is nothing but a big hint, right? :D So, how many of you still expecting a DE this 23rd? just qoute me.

      Fletcher is NOT coming in April 23, read it properly, stupid.
      http://kancolle.doorblog.jp/archives/53283278.html
      4/23に5周年記念となる新しいイラストレーターさんの新艦娘を投入準備中
      >サミュエル・B・ロバーツ(先月号とかツイッターとかの流れより)
      フレッチャー級も実装予定

      The Japanese sources are CLEARLY making Sammy B and Fletcher TWO INDEPENDENT incidents, referring to TWO INDEPENDENT IMPLEMENTATIONS.

      Inb4 the dude just used Google Translate Kappa

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:

      Vcharng wrote:

      Deathmagnum2142 wrote: latest COMPTIQ leads us: - new ship on 4/23 - fletcher implementation, This is nothing but a big hint, right? :D So, how many of you still expecting a DE this 23rd? just qoute me.

      Fletcher is NOT coming in April 23, read it properly, stupid.

      http://kancolle.doorblog.jp/archives/53283278.html
      4/23に5周年記念となる新しいイラストレーターさんの新艦娘を投入準備中
      >サミュエル・B・ロバーツ(先月号とかツイッターとかの流れより)
      フレッチャー級も実装予定

      The Japanese sources are CLEARLY making Sammy B and Fletcher TWO INDEPENDENT incidents, referring to TWO INDEPENDENT IMPLEMENTATIONS.

      Inb4 the dude just used Google Translate Kappa

      Yeah, the Google translation makes it seems like 2 updates.

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    • SSTHZero wrote:

      Shinhwalee wrote:

      Vcharng wrote:

      Deathmagnum2142 wrote: latest COMPTIQ leads us: - new ship on 4/23 - fletcher implementation, This is nothing but a big hint, right? :D So, how many of you still expecting a DE this 23rd? just qoute me.

      Fletcher is NOT coming in April 23, read it properly, stupid.

      http://kancolle.doorblog.jp/archives/53283278.html
      4/23に5周年記念となる新しいイラストレーターさんの新艦娘を投入準備中
      >サミュエル・B・ロバーツ(先月号とかツイッターとかの流れより)
      フレッチャー級も実装予定

      The Japanese sources are CLEARLY making Sammy B and Fletcher TWO INDEPENDENT incidents, referring to TWO INDEPENDENT IMPLEMENTATIONS.

      Inb4 the dude just used Google Translate Kappa

      Yeah, the Google translation makes it seems like 2 updates.

      They are separate two updates. Samuel comes on April 23rd, but the Fletcher DD is just "currently in planning" stage.

      Samuel might be normal content release, but the Fletcher-DD might be Event Reward/Drop, but who knows. (Would prefer if she was also normal release.)

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:

      SSTHZero wrote:

      Shinhwalee wrote:

      Vcharng wrote:


      Deathmagnum2142 wrote: latest COMPTIQ leads us: - new ship on 4/23 - fletcher implementation, This is nothing but a big hint, right? :D So, how many of you still expecting a DE this 23rd? just qoute me.

      Fletcher is NOT coming in April 23, read it properly, stupid.
       

      http://kancolle.doorblog.jp/archives/53283278.html
      4/23に5周年記念となる新しいイラストレーターさんの新艦娘を投入準備中
      >サミュエル・B・ロバーツ(先月号とかツイッターとかの流れより)
      フレッチャー級も実装予定

      The Japanese sources are CLEARLY making Sammy B and Fletcher TWO INDEPENDENT incidents, referring to TWO INDEPENDENT IMPLEMENTATIONS.

      Inb4 the dude just used Google Translate Kappa
      Yeah, the Google translation makes it seems like 2 updates.

      They are separate two updates. Samuel comes on April 23rd, but the Fletcher DD is just "currently in planning" stage.

      Samuel might be normal content release, but the Fletcher-DD might be Event Reward/Drop, but who knows. (Would prefer if she was also normal release.)

      I think I read everything wrong.

      I should go to bed.

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    • Just in case,

      Remember that our Mini Kongou was announced waaaaaaaaaaaaay back in the day, way before actually becoming an event drop. So I recommend taking that announcement with a grain of salt. Good, tasty sea salt we all know the taste of.

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    • Rizgis wrote:
      Just in case,

      Remember that our Mini Kongou was announced waaaaaaaaaaaaay back in the day, way before actually becoming an event drop. So I recommend taking that announcement with a grain of salt. Good, tasty sea salt we all know the taste of.

      I agree completely.

      The 'Royal Navy Destroyer' was teased well before Fall with only just a picture and a blurb saying 'it's going to happen'. Folks were climbing all over themselves here swearing up and down that she was going to show up in the Fall 2017...and promptly did exactly *not* that.

      There was no clear information indicating who she was, when she was going to show up or anything of the sort...

      ...so I really think that folks would be better served to stop, take a deep breath and step back for a moment and re-examine the information provided and see what is *actually* there instead of what folks *want* to be there.

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    • ...No I don't believe any burn heal is required for Rizgis whatsoever lol.

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    • My damage control team is on point. I don't need to worry about burns :)

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    • I've seen ZECO thrown around as speculation for the artist.  Another person who was speculated was the illustrator who drew for the Kagerou model, though I am a bit doubtful since that person is drawing for the new Atelier games.

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    • Rizgis wrote:

      That aside, my friend, they will likely delay release of Shinano as much as possible based on several reasons:

      1) After she's here, they will be no major/famous IJN Ships to take in, so, oh horror, they will have to expand national diversity. Essentially she's the last existing IJN capital ship (and I wouldn't prefer WG style here) that's not in KC

      2) Her sinking is...to put it kindly...not the most legned-inspiring thing. Would be hard to make an event out of it (and she'll sure as hell not appearing as anything else than Main Reward)

      3) Devs would have to come up with an idea how to give its name justice (stat-wise, largest CV of II WW)

      ....Also, you just trigerred a lot of people :)

      Also Shinano being implemented would cause people who are only continuing for her to quit.

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    • Vcharng wrote:

      Tsubakura wrote: With that said, one of the 2 can happen with the new Taffy III Destroyer Escort release:

      1. The new ship released is an "Escort", thus placing it in the same category as the Kaiboukans. In this case, all we have to do is rename the category "Coastal Defense Ship" to "Escort". No big deal.
      2. The new ship released is a "Destroyer Escort", which is a complete new category and API value. We obviously can't have 2 categories that are both DE, so you guys will have to admit that I was right all along a year ago and we will decide on a new proper classification. Also, I'm not going with PF for obvious reasons.
      1. is flatly impossible. Kaiboukans are dictated to be unable to fit torpedoes, but Sammy B did (historically) and will (in-game) have torpedoes. That's why a change is imminent in order to vacate the DE designation before Sammy B is introduced, so that the two definitions of DE does not collide chronologically and cause confusion.

      I don't know what your "obvious reason" against PF is, but I have a more obvious reason for it: Kaiboukans WERE INDEED reclassified as PF after the war. For example Tsushima became ROCS Lin An (PF-77). This is far more powerful a proof now than in the previous Kaiboukan designation war, as now we DO have Tsushima introduced.

      The first class of DE did not have torpedoes.  Torpedoes were an early war preference but not exactly a requirement.  Not to mention all of them took off the torpedoes off by 1945.  Not to mention if you think something with two guns and a set of triple tubes can be classified as a destroyer then you are out of your mind.  You could say that the torpedo tubes took the place of the third gun.

      USN Destroyer Escorts, Japanese Kaiboukans, and British frigates(which were just as large as USN Destroyer escorts but like Kaiboukan did not carry torpedoes) were all various escort ships that each respective nation developed based on what they thought they needed for escort.  So Samuel B. Roberts might be a little more capable at night battle than any of the other escorts, so what?  Her night battle power will still be much lower than any of the Akizuki class or Kamikaze class not to mention any of the other destroyers.

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    • Also DEs sent to the royal navy were rated as frigates.

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    • RIP Shinano
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    • Rizgis wrote:

      Idea 1: Giving us reasonable destroyer that gets some special treatment in relation to stats and gets appropriate personality.

      Idea 2: We will get what's basically a Yuudachi/Taszkient equivalent of a DE (pretty OP in her respective ship type). Maybe simply a combat DE?

      It's just an escort ship with a night battle stat of 60 to 70(no equips), 80 at max. Torp stat will most likely be around Bismarck's or Гангут's torpedo stat(in other words poor).  Firepower would be around current escort ships level(around the 30s).  You people are getting to worked over the torpedo tubes when there was only one triple launcher.  Also Slightly lower?  Last time I checked two guns and one torp launcher is a lot lower in terms of specifications.  Also the most important thing is to look at the depth charge loadout.  American DEs could carry 100+ depth charges with like 88 depth charges ready for use the rest in storage and had an impressive amount of depth charge projectors(8 depth charge projectors as well as the hedgehog.  Same with the later classes Kaiboukan in particular those after Etorofu(Hiburi class had like 16 throwers, well if you can't make something like the hedgehog or squid then having a bunch of depth charge projectors is another option).  These escort ships tended to carry a lot of depth charges per ship.

      And for those of you that want to bring the Matsu class into this then the Matsu class actually seemed to suffer from conflicting requirements.  Matsu class unlike escort ships had only 48 depth charges and a rather pitiful suite of anti-submarine equipment at least if it was an escort.  For a fleet destroyer that would be rather normal.

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    • Adding to what I typed above, the devs could always just make her cost more to use.  Like 10 fuel(same with the other DEs) but 15 ammo(same as Mutsuki and Kamikaze class).  I think that's fair.

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    • 129.115.3.100 wrote:

      Vcharng wrote:

      Tsubakura wrote: With that said, one of the 2 can happen with the new Taffy III Destroyer Escort release:

      1. The new ship released is an "Escort", thus placing it in the same category as the Kaiboukans. In this case, all we have to do is rename the category "Coastal Defense Ship" to "Escort". No big deal.
      2. The new ship released is a "Destroyer Escort", which is a complete new category and API value. We obviously can't have 2 categories that are both DE, so you guys will have to admit that I was right all along a year ago and we will decide on a new proper classification. Also, I'm not going with PF for obvious reasons.
      1. is flatly impossible. Kaiboukans are dictated to be unable to fit torpedoes, but Sammy B did (historically) and will (in-game) have torpedoes. That's why a change is imminent in order to vacate the DE designation before Sammy B is introduced, so that the two definitions of DE does not collide chronologically and cause confusion.

      I don't know what your "obvious reason" against PF is, but I have a more obvious reason for it: Kaiboukans WERE INDEED reclassified as PF after the war. For example Tsushima became ROCS Lin An (PF-77). This is far more powerful a proof now than in the previous Kaiboukan designation war, as now we DO have Tsushima introduced.

      The first class of DE did not have torpedoes.  Torpedoes were an early war preference but not exactly a requirement.  Not to mention all of them took off the torpedoes off by 1945.  Not to mention if you think something with two guns and a set of triple tubes can be classified as a destroyer then you are out of your mind.  You could say that the torpedo tubes took the place of the third gun.

      USN Destroyer Escorts, Japanese Kaiboukans, and British frigates(which were just as large as USN Destroyer escorts but like Kaiboukan did not carry torpedoes) were all various escort ships that each respective nation developed based on what they thought they needed for escort.  So Samuel B. Roberts might be a little more capable at night battle than any of the other escorts, so what?  Her night battle power will still be much lower than any of the Akizuki class or Kamikaze class not to mention any of the other destroyers.

      "if you think something with two guns and a set of triple tubes can be classified as a destroyer then you are out of your mind." Do you know about the existence of the Matsu class? two guns (one double barrel, one single) and a quad tube with no reserves.

      The RN eqivalent for KBs are not frigates, but corvettes (flower-class), both of which are significantly smaller than DEs of the same period, and doesn't carry torpedoes (making them exempt from, if any, applicable naval treaties)

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    • 2607:FB90:44A4:8FED:27A4:E6B6:C661:D337 wrote: Also DEs sent to the royal navy were rated as frigates.

      And as stated above, RN's frigates are NOT equvalent to KBs or PFs, Corvettes are.

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    • Vcharng wrote:

      129.115.3.100 wrote:

      Vcharng wrote:

      Tsubakura wrote: With that said, one of the 2 can happen with the new Taffy III Destroyer Escort release:

      1. The new ship released is an "Escort", thus placing it in the same category as the Kaiboukans. In this case, all we have to do is rename the category "Coastal Defense Ship" to "Escort". No big deal.
      2. The new ship released is a "Destroyer Escort", which is a complete new category and API value. We obviously can't have 2 categories that are both DE, so you guys will have to admit that I was right all along a year ago and we will decide on a new proper classification. Also, I'm not going with PF for obvious reasons.
      1. is flatly impossible. Kaiboukans are dictated to be unable to fit torpedoes, but Sammy B did (historically) and will (in-game) have torpedoes. That's why a change is imminent in order to vacate the DE designation before Sammy B is introduced, so that the two definitions of DE does not collide chronologically and cause confusion.

       

      I don't know what your "obvious reason" against PF is, but I have a more obvious reason for it: Kaiboukans WERE INDEED reclassified as PF after the war. For example Tsushima became ROCS Lin An (PF-77). This is far more powerful a proof now than in the previous Kaiboukan designation war, as now we DO have Tsushima introduced.

      The first class of DE did not have torpedoes.  Torpedoes were an early war preference but not exactly a requirement.  Not to mention all of them took off the torpedoes off by 1945.  Not to mention if you think something with two guns and a set of triple tubes can be classified as a destroyer then you are out of your mind.  You could say that the torpedo tubes took the place of the third gun.

      USN Destroyer Escorts, Japanese Kaiboukans, and British frigates(which were just as large as USN Destroyer escorts but like Kaiboukan did not carry torpedoes) were all various escort ships that each respective nation developed based on what they thought they needed for escort.  So Samuel B. Roberts might be a little more capable at night battle than any of the other escorts, so what?  Her night battle power will still be much lower than any of the Akizuki class or Kamikaze class not to mention any of the other destroyers.

      "if you think something with two guns and a set of triple tubes can be classified as a destroyer then you are out of your mind."

      Do you know about the existence of the Matsu class? two guns (one double barrel, one single) and a quad tube with no reserves.

      The RN eqivalent for KBs are not frigates, but corvettes (flower-class), both of which are significantly smaller than DEs of the same period, and doesn't carry torpedoes (making them exempt from, if any, applicable naval treaties)

      Matsu class had 3 guns and one quadruple tube plus were seen as fast enough for actual fleet operations(which is why they were at Cape Engano).  As a downside they had a rather pitiful Anti-submarine warfare loadout in comparison to the escort ships of any nation.

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    • 2605:6001:F447:8400:D8E3:DC8F:8229:C1D8 wrote: Matsu class had 3 guns and one quadruple tube plus were seen as fast enough for actual fleet operations(which is why they were at Cape Engano).  As a downside they had a rather pitiful Anti-submarine warfare loadout in comparison to the escort ships of any nation.

      Nope, not even close. The reason why Matsu was at Engano is because IJN was running out of ships, they even brought their Kaiboukans. Are you telling me that those KBs are also "suitable for actual fleet operations"? And "pitiful ASW loadout" is definitely a joke, they boast the best ASW in the whole IJN (two thrower and two rail, same with the much-larger Akizuki-class), if they suck when compared with other navies, it's because IJN suck as a whole.

      Also, in USN standard, "fast enough for fleet operation" is 33 knots, and most IJN fleet destroyers sail at 34 knots or above (38 for Fubuki, 36.5 for Hatsuharu), Matsu (27.8 knt) is far from being fast enough to operate in a combat fleet.

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    • Vcharng wrote:

      2605:6001:F447:8400:D8E3:DC8F:8229:C1D8 wrote: Matsu class had 3 guns and one quadruple tube plus were seen as fast enough for actual fleet operations(which is why they were at Cape Engano).  As a downside they had a rather pitiful Anti-submarine warfare loadout in comparison to the escort ships of any nation.

      Nope, not even close.

      The reason why Matsu was at Engano is because IJN was running out of ships, they even brought their Kaiboukans. Are you telling me that those KBs are also "suitable for actual fleet operations"? And "pitiful ASW loadout" is definitely a joke, they boast the best ASW in the whole IJN (two thrower and two rail, same with the much-larger Akizuki-class), if they suck when compared with other navies, it's because IJN suck as a whole.

      Also, in USN standard, "fast enough for fleet operation" is 33 knots, and most IJN fleet destroyers sail at 34 knots or above (38 for Fubuki, 36.5 for Hatsuharu), Matsu (27.8 knt) is far from being fast enough to operate in a combat fleet.

      Wrong The IJN was fine with their fleet going at 27 to 28 knots.  It's why Kaga was kept in operation and why Yamato was around that speed as well.  It helped that most of their planes until the Ryuusei and Tenzan were lightweight.  And for long distances most navies went anywhere from 10 to 20 knots on average to travel.  Also by WW2 Fubuki's had degraded to 36 and heavier equipment like radar degraded that speed even further.  Well that was happening to most navies destroyers.  The Fletcher class was supposed to be 37.5 knots and went anywhere from 34 to 36 knots depending on the increasing and different loadouts in practice.

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    • 2605:6001:F447:8400:D8E3:DC8F:8229:C1D8 wrote: Wrong The IJN was fine with their fleet going at 27 to 28 knots.  It's why Kaga was kept in operation and why Yamato was around that speed as well.  It helped that most of their planes until the Ryuusei and Tenzan were lightweight.  And for long distances most navies went anywhere from 10 to 20 knots on average to travel.  Also by WW2 Fubuki's had degraded to 36 and heavier equipment like radar degraded that speed even further.  Well that was happening to most navies destroyers.  The Fletcher class was supposed to be 37.5 knots and went anywhere from 34 to 36 knots depending on the increasing and different loadouts in practice.

      You are in no position to teach me, it's me telling you wrong, not the other way around.
      Kaga was being "tolerated" as she was a converted carrier (or, a bloody makeshift/experimental carrier). Check Shokaku, IJN went as far as sacrificing her stability just to give her a 34 knot speed.
      And you know what? even if the carriers or other capital ships are only going for 28, (or like Yamato, 27), destroyers still need to be faster.
      One basic concept: escorting units (whether a vehicle, ship or plane) needs to be 20~40% faster than those being escorted by them. So for a USN carrier fleet (whose speed is 26 knots when launching aircrafts), a decent escorting ship would need to sail at 32~36.5 knots (that's why Iowa had to go 33 knots to be a good "screening battleship"). So Matsu, going at 27~28 knots, is NOT suitable for fleet combat, end of story.

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    • AnimeFreak40K wrote:

      Rizgis wrote:
      Just in case,

      Remember that our Mini Kongou was announced waaaaaaaaaaaaay back in the day, way before actually becoming an event drop. So I recommend taking that announcement with a grain of salt. Good, tasty sea salt we all know the taste of.

      I agree completely.

      The 'Royal Navy Destroyer' was teased well before Fall with only just a picture and a blurb saying 'it's going to happen'. Folks were climbing all over themselves here swearing up and down that she was going to show up in the Fall 2017...and promptly did exactly *not* that.

      There was no clear information indicating who she was, when she was going to show up or anything of the sort...

      ...so I really think that folks would be better served to stop, take a deep breath and step back for a moment and re-examine the information provided and see what is *actually* there instead of what folks *want* to be there.

      This time they stated that the DE (believed to be Sammy B) is coming at exactly 23 April, unlike Jervis who didn't come with a date.

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    • FubukiSD wrote: I have nothing to block. Just admit that you are a worthless fan of American ships. Ban did not scare me, Yankees . So shut up ​​​​:D

      I guess you want a longer ban, if you don't then bring your unnecessary murica hate elsewhere. Pacman

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    • In case someone's wondering about all those deleted messages, that person doesn't exist here and thus any messages related to him is no longer relevant. =w=

      Anyway, carry on with the discussion.

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    • Anyways, regardless of whether she is an escort or not, apparently her illustrator is someone who Tanaka talked about a long time ago or something.

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    • Someone just got "Monika'd" *sips tea*


      Anyways so in the recent interview with Tanaka... It is perfectly stated that it will be USN ships (surprises later) a Destroyer Escort and a Fletcher.


      I still don't understand why some of those guys try to compare a Kaiboukan to an USN DE and then to the Royal Navy when the USN and RN's hullcode tend to be "complicated" in some form.

      Well whatever. I will put my "faith" in their task. As I know that whatever they doing isn't going to be easy.

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    • Dandan550 wrote: Someone just got "Monika'd" *sips tea*


      Anyways so in the recent interview with Tanaka... It is perfectly stated that it will be USN ships (surprises later) a Destroyer Escort and a Fletcher.


      I still don't understand why some of those guys try to compare a Kaiboukan to an USN DE and then to the Royal Navy when the USN and RN's hullcode tend to be "complicated" in some form.

      Well whatever. I will put my "faith" in their task. As I know that whatever they doing isn't going to be easy.

      Neither do I, I don't even understand why there ever would be people who thinks that KBs are DEs...

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    • Dandan550 wrote:

      Anyways so in the recent interview with Tanaka... It is perfectly stated that it will be USN ships (surprises later) a Destroyer Escort and a Fletcher.


      I still don't understand why some of those guys try to compare a Kaiboukan to an USN DE and then to the Royal Navy when the USN and RN's hullcode tend to be "complicated" in some form.

      My best guess is trying to reconcile language barrier/differences with standards of classification when ideas/concepts exist in one language but don't exist in another.

      For example, Kaiboukan seems to be best translated as 'Coastal Defense Ship', which is a ship type that does not exist in the USN. This isn't normally a problem when looking at a Japanese game using Japanese terminology...it becomes a problem when 3rd party people start trying to use USN as a guide for naming conventions however. 

      On a somewhat related topic, USN hullcodes aren't necessarily that complex when you understand their criteria, which is primarily based on equipment and battlefield role. 
      For example, a DDE is an Escort Destroyer- that is, a standard Destroyer that was modified for Fleet Escort roles. A DDG is a Guided Missile Destroyer - that is, a Destroyer that uses guided missiles as it's primary armament. 

      The fact of the matter is that the USN doesn't have anything that is at all like the Kaiboukan in name (calling them 'escort ships'), but they had ships that fill a similar role as the Kaiboukan, which is a Destroyer Escort (DE), as both types of vessels were designed with anti-submarine warfare in mind. 



      ...but I understand where you're coming from. At this point, my view is to wait and see what the developers do and act/react based on that. 

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    • IF YOU CHECK my original comment regarding Jervis it was due to some people thinking that these two are either the same shipgirl or are being released on the same date. Never in my comment did I compare them in any way (save for being announced without any specific date, Fletcher that was)

      As for people who are comparing different navies, it's hard to expect Devs to implement new ship classification every time they introduce shipgirl with new classification. Like....when Royal Navy is expanded , they won't add special type "Frigate", "Corvette", same goes for other navies. That's what I think and I am convinced it will apply to newcomer US girl too.

      While you guys are discussing language barriers (reasonable) and ship classification (also reasonable) do notice that in-game these shipgirls' character cards read simply "Escort". Now....

      ...what if it's just there to say "it's an escort ship of destroyer-ish proportions". Just that. Notice that Taiyou and Gamby are still labeled as CVLs on their cards despite in fact being CVEs. After all, both were build to support fleets or bypass naval treaties (I'm talking about CVLs collectively). So maybe "Escort" class card simply indicates "whatever said navy considered a fleet escort warship" and is already prepared to house them all. Right now we only have here japanese escort warships which were called "Kaiboukans". As for stats..well...they do tend to differ within card-based in-game classification too. Like within DDs it can range from 12 (Kamikaze-class) to 20 (Akizuki-class) and 22 (Taszkient) HP on base versions.

      That's all for now.  :D

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    • @Rizgis:
      I was tempted to post something in a similar regard to your point about Gamby. In fact I see her placement/treatment in game as a CVL despite the fact that a CVE is a completely different type of carrier as the perfect example of the fact that a USN Destroyer Escort or Escort Destroyer would be put in the same in-game classificaiton as the resident Kaiboukans.  Heck, there is nothing stopping the devs from putting a ship like Sammy B. in the same 'class card' and treat her mechanically as the present Kaiboukans...but give her the ability to equip torpedoes. I mean, they did something like that with Taiyou, Zuihou K2B and Gambier Bay in that all 3 of them have an ASW stat and can perform OASW attacks.

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    • Tsubakura wrote:
      Just to remind people in case they want to start this discussion all over again, DE was chosen because people want DE -> Kaiboukan, not because Kaiboukan -> Destroyer Escort. In other words, currently it's DE -> Coastal Defense Ship -> Escort, you'll notice that there is not a single mention anywhere in the community who refers the Kaiboukans as a Destroyer Escort for obvious reasons. Even in-game, they're only referred to as "Escort". We've currently already deviated from the standard naming conventions, so it's kinda pointless to argue that DE != Kaiboukan if you consider our DE != Destroyer Escort, but DE == Escort.

      With that said, one of the 2 can happen with the new Taffy III Destroyer Escort release:

      1. The new ship released is an "Escort", thus placing it in the same category as the Kaiboukans. In this case, all we have to do is rename the category "Coastal Defense Ship" to "Escort". No big deal.
      2. The new ship released is a "Destroyer Escort", which is a complete new category and API value. We obviously can't have 2 categories that are both DE, so you guys will have to admit that I was right all along a year ago and we will decide on a new proper classification. Also, I'm not going with PF for obvious reasons.

      My advice: just wait patiently for the update to arrive and decide from that point on what to do. Any debates that occurs now is pointless and it's just a waste of your energy that could've been used more productively lol.


      Wow. I'm surprised this is still going on. After reading the above, I thought it would be best to wait until 23 April's release, then debate if there is a need to.. Need to know what the motion is before you debate, else it is just random spraying of words across the room.

      anyway.. game classification >>>>> RL classification.. it really depends on whether the devs want to muddy up the existing classes (again) or introduce a new class with new niche / mechanics. 

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    • Neoasis wrote:
      Wow. I'm surprised this is still going on. After reading the above, I thought it would be best to wait until 23 April's release, then debate if there is a need to.. Need to know what the motion is before you debate, else it is just random spraying of words across the room.

      anyway.. game classification >>>>> RL classification.. it really depends on whether the devs want to muddy up the existing classes (again) or introduce a new class with new niche / mechanics. 

      I dont think the ongoing discussions right now are about Sammy B anymore, but more to the point being that no matter how the new USN DE gets implemented, it will introduce some form of issue that questions the designation of DE on Kaiboukans, with the impact being the least if the new DE gets treated the same way as the Kaiboukans. Since all the noise and rioting from 4chan are drowned out now, it is actually a good time to let certain people settle their unfinished business from a year ago.

      As long as nobody is making stuff up in this debate, I don't mind them going at each other until they are satisfied. =w=

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:

      Popcornanime

      Same here. This is the longest discussion about a ship in the whole Forum. Why did it even grew so big?

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    • TTK Mull - S-204 wrote:

      Shinhwalee wrote:

      Popcornanime
      Same here. This is the longest discussion about a ship in the whole Forum. Why did it even grew so big?

      Probs because people are determined to settle this matter as soon as it emerged. Problem is, there's literally no major data to grab onto (hence the grammar/language war that's going on) Add to that people who are naval nerds (they want all the thing neatly matching everywhere [I don't say it's wrong]) and people who are 'murica hyped and you get explosive mix of longest upcoming ship discussion (It's hype mostly tough)

      I totally second Shinhwalee here. I already said what I wanted regarding new non-Fletcher US girl. That being said...

      Girlsundpanzer3a

      Let's watch and see what happens

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    • Rizgis wrote:

      Add to that people who are naval nerds (they want all the thing neatly matching everywhere [I don't say it's wrong])

      We need more people saying they're wrong so they'll stop throwing history into a game wiki :v

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    • Kenji135 wrote:

      Rizgis wrote:

      Add to that people who are naval nerds (they want all the thing neatly matching everywhere [I don't say it's wrong])

      We need more people saying they're wrong so they'll stop throwing history into a game wiki :v

      No can do. Saying that they're wrong while my heart says they're right goes against my pride. =w=

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    • ...can I be 'murica hyped because I'm American and we're getting new ships and multiple Kagerou-class are getting K2s?

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    • AnimeFreak40K wrote:
      ...can I be 'murica hyped because I'm American and we're getting new ships and multiple Kagerou-class are getting K2s?

      Careful now, you might get banned if make too much noise about murica lol.  I'll just sit back and see what happens when the next update goes through.  Too busy clearing out some of the quests and leveling my ships.  

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    • ...heh...

      I just wanna be hyped because new ships :3

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    • Nothing wrong with new ships.  I still have several ships missing for complete ship collection.

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    • And that's the extent of my hype...new ships. While I do have a bit of bias towards non-IJN ships, that's mostly because they're different.

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    • I just want new lolis.

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    • @SSTHZero - You'll get your wish soon enough.

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    • AnimeFreak40K wrote:

      but they had ships that fill a similar role as the Kaiboukan, which is a Destroyer Escort (DE),

      More correctly, the USN had ships that fill a similar role as WHAT THEY SAW the Kaiboukan was doing, which unfortunately wasn't KB's original role, and that's why they got the wrong idea.

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    • The update isn't far away, so I'll hold back for now.

      But more than just the K2's and the US (placeholder designation here), I wanna know what new equipments, quarterly quests and improvements are going to be available.

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    • Vcharng wrote:

      AnimeFreak40K wrote:

      but they had ships that fill a similar role as the Kaiboukan, which is a Destroyer Escort (DE),
      More correctly, the USN had ships that fill a similar role as WHAT THEY SAW the Kaiboukan was doing, which unfortunately wasn't KB's original role, and that's why they got the wrong idea.

      Okay, I've tried being subtle and indirect. I have pulled back out of the conversation and decided to generally ignore the topic of classification and you in particular and instead decided to focus on more important things, so I'm only going to say this once: I am done being civil with you on this topic.

      I don't give a f**king rat's a** what you happen to think because reality does not jive with whatever your notions happen to be.

      The reality is that the sailors and airmen of the USN observed Kaiboukan serving in an escort role that was was very similar to what Destroyer Escorts were serving in, therefore decided to classify and treat them as such.

      Kaiboukan could have just as easily been designed with the express purpose of populating the entire moon with ponies. However, they were not observed actually populating the moon with ponies or even attempting to that, therefore they were not classified or treated as moon-populating pony transports.

      If you actually think a military, *ANY* military, gives a flying f**k about an enemy vehicle's 'intended role' or 'original role' then you are a f**king idiot.

      The military only actually cares what enemy battlefield assets are observed doing because that actually determines tactics, strategy and action. Intended or designed purpose is meaningless.

      ...and even if none of the above was actually the case, I would *STILL* side with the USN's classification over what you think on the sheer basis that it would take multiple Flag Officers, dozens of field-grade and company-grade officers culminating in hundreds of years of naval experience to reach the sort of decision needed to pass the sort of classification down that would reach a field-training manual or guide over some guy on the other side of the planet who has an opinion on the internet.

      ...and no, this view is not because I happen to be American. If I were talking with regard to how the Royal Navy, would classify things, I would use the term Frigate, because that's what the Royal Navy would classify and treat them as.

      I am done with you.

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    • Rizgis wrote:

      TTK Mull - S-204 wrote:

      Shinhwalee wrote:

      Popcornanime
      Same here. This is the longest discussion about a ship in the whole Forum. Why did it even grew so big?

      Probs because people are determined to settle this matter as soon as it emerged. Problem is, there's literally no major data to grab onto (hence the grammar/language war that's going on) Add to that people who are naval nerds (they want all the thing neatly matching everywhere [I don't say it's wrong]) and people who are 'murica hyped and you get explosive mix of longest upcoming ship discussion (It's hype mostly tough)

      I totally second Shinhwalee here. I already said what I wanted regarding new non-Fletcher US girl. That being said...

      Girlsundpanzer3a

      Let's watch and see what happens

      Darjeeling is love.

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    • AnimeFreak40K wrote: The reality is that the sailors and airmen of the USN observed Kaiboukan serving in an escort role that was was very similar to what Destroyer Escorts were serving in, therefore decided to classify and treat them as such.

      Kaiboukan could have just as easily been designed with the express purpose of populating the entire moon with ponies. However, they were not observed actually populating the moon with ponies or even attempting to that, therefore they were not classified or treated as moon-populating pony transports.

      If you actually think a military, *ANY* military, gives a flying f**k about an enemy vehicle's 'intended role' or 'original role' then you are a f**king idiot.

      Good point, which is why the USN were wrong.
      They don't care about KB's original purpose, they only care about what they see, and this is what serves their purpose of classifying enemy vessels best (as in analyzing what behaviour to expect from these ships).
      WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED WHEN DECIDING HOW WE ARE GOING TO CLASSIFY THESE KBS.
      We classify these KBs for a different reason than the USN. We want to give them the actual, correct, original, intended, classification, which would reflect their role in the Japanese game better, and which is not the classification that benefits the USN the most.
      And as I remember, I have reached this conclusion in the First Kaiboukan Naming War already.

      Oh and one last thing. YES, navies do care about enemy ships' original roles sometimes, such as the modern PLAN worrying about the "original, intended" role of the Izumo-class "helo-destroyer" as a de facto aircraft carrier carrying F-35Bs.
      Another example is the Mogami class, officially commissioned as light cruisers but the USN didn't give a damn, classified them as CAs in the FM30-58 published in December 1942 nonetheless (which is correct as they were).

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    • again? really?

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    • Vcharng wrote:

      AnimeFreak40K wrote: The reality is that the sailors and airmen of the USN observed Kaiboukan serving in an escort role that was was very similar to what Destroyer Escorts were serving in, therefore decided to classify and treat them as such.

      Kaiboukan could have just as easily been designed with the express purpose of populating the entire moon with ponies. However, they were not observed actually populating the moon with ponies or even attempting to that, therefore they were not classified or treated as moon-populating pony transports.

      If you actually think a military, *ANY* military, gives a flying f**k about an enemy vehicle's 'intended role' or 'original role' then you are a f**king idiot.

      Good point, which is why the USN were wrong.
      They don't care about KB's original purpose, they only care about what they see, and this is what serves their purpose of classifying enemy vessels best (as in analyzing what behaviour to expect from these ships).
      WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED WHEN DECIDING HOW WE ARE GOING TO CLASSIFY THESE KBS.
      We classify these KBs for a different reason than the USN. We want to give them the actual, correct, original, intended, classification, which would reflect their role in the Japanese game better, and which is not the classification that benefits the USN the most.
      And as I remember, I have reached this conclusion in the First Kaiboukan Naming War already.

      Oh and one last thing. YES, navies do care about enemy ships' original roles sometimes, such as the modern PLAN worrying about the "original, intended" role of the Izumo-class "helo-destroyer" as a de facto aircraft carrier carrying F-35Bs.
      Another example is the Mogami class, officially commissioned as light cruisers but the USN didn't give a damn, classified them as CAs in the FM30-58 published in December 1942 nonetheless (which is correct as they were).

      That's why the Devs just gave up and are going to group them all as Escort ships.

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    • 2605:6001:F447:8400:D8E3:DC8F:8229:C1D8 wrote:

      That's why the Devs just gave up and are going to group them all as Escort ships.

      The problem only exists outside Japan, I don't see a single reason for the Japanese Devs to group DEs as Escort ships/Kaiboukans. Besides it doesn't cut them any trouble, because they'll then have to make a torpedo-compatible version of KBs, then why don't you just classify them as destroyers?

      That's why DE being introduced as either part of DD or a new subcategory of DD should be considered the only possibility.

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    • Vcharng wrote:

      2605:6001:F447:8400:D8E3:DC8F:8229:C1D8 wrote:

      That's why the Devs just gave up and are going to group them all as Escort ships.
      The problem only exists outside Japan, I don't see a single reason for the Japanese Devs to group DEs as Escort ships/Kaiboukans. Besides it doesn't cut them any trouble, because they'll then have to make a torpedo-compatible version of KBs, then why don't you just classify them as destroyers?

      That's why DE being introduced as either part of DD or a new subcategory of DD should be considered the only possibility.

      Yeah because we totally don't have seaplane carriers that have torp stats and those that don't(Looking at at you Teste as well as non-kai Chitoses) right?  Then you have Kasumi being able to equip large radars in one of her forms and Abukuma and Yura being able to use mini-submarines.  They can always pretend it's a late war configuration with no torpedoes as well.

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    • Kenji135 wrote:

      We need more people saying they're wrong so they'll stop throwing history into a game wiki :v

      This is a (albeit loosely) history-based game, why should we stop people from throwing history into where they belong?

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    • Because in this tempo we will make every damn thread useless with this stupid classification issue.

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