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    Maintenance start date and time: September 12th 2017 11:00
    Expected maintenance end date and time: September 12th 2017 19:00
    Actual maintenance end date and time: September 12th 2017 20:30

    Content

    Summer 2017 Event

    Seasonal

    Limited-time CGs

    The following girls have new/returning Seasonal CG:

    Seasonal Voices

    Class Ship girls (128)
    Destroyers (57) Akatsuki, Akebono, Akigumo, Amagiri, Amatsukaze, Arare, Arashi, Arashio, Asakaze, Asashimo, Asashio, Fubuki, Fumizuki, Hagikaze, Hamakaze, Harukaze, Hatakaze, Hatsukaze, Hibiki, Ikazuchi, Inazuma, Isokaze, Kamikaze, Kasumi, Kawakaze, Kazagumo, Kikuzuki, Kisaragi, Libeccio, Maikaze, Makigumo, Matsukaze, Michishio, Minazuki, Mochizuki, Murasame, Mutsuki, Naganami, Oboro, Okinami, Ooshio, Oyashio, Sagiri, Satsuki, Sazanami, Shigure, Shiratsuyu, Tanikaze, Teruzuki, Umikaze, Urakaze, Ushio, Uzuki, Yamakaze, Yayoi, Yuudachi, Yuugumo
    Light Cruisers (14) Abukuma, Agano, Jintsuu, Kinu, Kuma, Noshiro, Ooyodo, Sakawa, Tama, Tatsuta, Tenryuu, Yahagi, Yura, Yuubari
    Heavy Cruisers (19) Aoba, Ashigara, Atago, Chikuma, Choukai, Furutaka, Haguro, Kinugasa, Kumano, Maya, Mikuma, Mogami, Myoukou, Nachi, Pola, Suzuya, Takao, Tone, Zara
    Battleships (7) Fusou, Gangut, Iowa, Richelieu, Warspite, Yamashiro, Yamato
    Light Carriers (4) Houshou, Ryuuhou, Ryuujou, Zuihou
    Standard Carriers (9) Akagi, Aquila, Ark Royal, Graf Zeppelin, Katsuragi, Saratoga, Shoukaku, Taihou, Zuikaku
    Submarines (7) I-19, I-168, I-58, I-8, Luigi Torelli, Maruyu, I-26
    Auxiliaries (11) Akashi, Akitsushima, Etorofu, Hayasui, Kamoi, Kashima, Katori, Kunashiri, Matsuwa, Mizuho, Shimushu
    Seiyuu (33)
    Akasaki Chinatsu Aquila, Pola, Zara
    Bridcut Sarah Emi Hatsukaze, Kumano, Maikaze, Suzuya, Yuubari
    Chinami Hashimoto Iowa, Yamakaze
    Fujita Saki Akagi, Fusou, Yamashiro
    Hayami Saori Graf Zeppelin, Hagikaze
    Hayasaka Kozue Akebono, Oboro, Sazanami, Ushio
    Hidaka Rina Fumizuki, Kikuzuki, Kisaragi, Minazuki, Mochizuki, Mutsuki, Ryuujou, Satsuki, Uzuki, Yayoi
    Hondo Kaede Oyashio
    Iguchi Yuka Chikuma, Tatsuta, Tenryuu, Tone
    Ishigami Shizuka Kawakaze, Mizuho, Umikaze
    Itou Shizuka Asakaze, Saratoga
    Kawasumi Ayako Isokaze, Kamikaze, Ooyodo
    Kayano Ai Arashi, Asashimo, Kashima, Katori, Katsuragi
    Kitou Akari Kazagumo, Libeccio, Okinami
    Komatsu Mana Hamakaze, Tanikaze, Urakaze, Zuihou
    Komatsu Mikako Akitsushima, Teruzuki
    Misato I-19, I-8
    Miyagawa Wakana Arare, Arashio, Asashio, Kasumi, Michishio, Ooshio
    Nakajima Megumi I-168, I-58, Kinugasa, Mikuma
    Nomizu Iori Abukuma, Hayasui, Kinu, Shoukaku, Zuikaku
    Noto Mamiko Harukaze, Maruyu, Taihou
    Ogura Yui Amatsukaze, I-26, Ryuuhou
    Ootsubo Yuka Furutaka
    Sakura Ayane Jintsuu, Kuma, Tama
    Suzaki Aya Akatsuki, Aoba, Hibiki, Houshou, Ikazuchi, Inazuma, Mogami
    Taketatsu Ayana Akigumo, Makigumo, Naganami, Yamato, Yuugumo
    Taneda Risa Akashi, Ashigara, Haguro, Myoukou, Nachi
    Tanibe Yumi Murasame, Shigure, Shiratsuyu, Yura, Yuudachi
    Touyama Nao Atago, Choukai, Maya, Takao
    Uchida Shuu Warspite
    Uesaka Sumire Fubuki
    Yamada Yuki Agano, Noshiro, Sakawa, Yahagi
    Unknown Matsukaze

    SaratogaSaratoga Banner 2nd Remodel

    • Second Upgrade: Saratoga Mk.IISaratoga Mk.II Banner
      • Requires level 85+
        • Requires a BlueprintItem Card Remodel Blueprint and Prototype Flight Deck CatapultItem Card Prototype Flight Deck Catapult
          • Does not need any of the above for converting back and forth between the two forms (see below)
          • However requires to be level 90+ to remodel back into Mk. II from Mk. II Mod.2.
        • No Stock Equipment
        • Additional Info & Mechanics
          • Night Carrier (CV(N))
          • Able to attack during Night Battle without a Night Operation Aviation Personnel
            • Requires F6F-3N, F6F-5N, and/or TBM-3D minimum to at least trigger a normal Attack during Night Battle.
          • Has Very high Firepower.
          • However has Lower Aircraft Capacity and Distribution than Saratoga KaiSaratoga Kai Banner and her Mk. II mod.2 Form.
          • Medium Attack Range.
    • Third Upgrade:Saratoga Mk.II Mod.2Saratoga Mk.II Mod.2 Banner
      • Requires level 85+
        • Converted from Saratoga Mk.II.
          • Does not require Blueprint nor Prototype Flight Deck Catapult.
        • No Stock Equipment
        • Additional Info & Mechanics
          • Armored Carrier (CV(B))
          • Lower Firepower (-10) compared to her Standard Mk.II.
          • However has very high and balanced Aircraft Capacity and Distribution. Also, can attack while being moderately damaged.

    Permanent CG

    New Aircraft Carrier Mechanics

    • All Aircraft Carriers (CV, CVL, CVB) are now able to utilize a special Cut-In attack during Day Battle, depending on the types of Aircraft equipped.
    • Certain Aircraft Carriers who are specialized for Night Battle (Saratoga Mk.II) or general Aircraft Carriers equipped with Night Aircraft/Special Equipment are able to utilize a Cut-In attack during Night Battle depending on the types of Aircraft equipped.

    Construction

    • SaratogaSaratoga Banner and KamoiKamoi Banner are now craftable via LSC.
      • KamoiKamoi Banner can be constructed using a Carrier Recipe (Ex. 4000/2000/5000/7000/20), using any Flagship.
        • Duplicate Copies are available.
      • SaratogaSaratoga Banner can be constructed using a Carrier Recipe (Ex. 4000/2000/5000/7000/20), only by using KamoiKamoi Banner or IowaIowa Banner as Flagship.
        • Duplicate Copies are available.

    Equipment

    • NEW! TBF
    • NEW! TBM-3D
    • NEW! Night Operation Aviation Personnel
    • NEW! Night Operation Aviation Personnel + Skilled Deckhands
    • F6F-5
    • F4U-1D
    • F6F-3N
    • F6F-5N

    NEW! Equipment


    Now Obtainable

    Akashi's Improvement Arsenal

    NEW!&UPDATED!Akashi's Improvement Arsenal: Equipment Tables

    New Equipment

    Development material icon Improvement material icon S M T W T F S Helper Ship
    Consumes: 1x Secondary Gun Icon Simple15.5cm Triple Secondary Gun Mount 0 10/15 6/6 R R R R Richelieu (Kai)
    Consumes: 2x Radar Icon SimpleType 22 Surface Radar 6 7/8
    GreenPlaneF6F-5: FuelKai 250 AmmoKai 250 BauxiteKai 450[Edit]
    Consumes: 2x Carrier-based Fighter Aircraft Icon SimpleShiden Kai 2 0 8/9 6/7 S S S Saratoga Mk.II (Mk.II Mod.2)
    Consumes: 1x Carrier-based Fighter Aircraft Icon SimplePrototype Reppuu Late Model 6 12/16 8/12
    Development material icon Improvement material icon S M T W T F S Helper Ship

    Updated Equipment

    Development material icon Improvement material icon S M T W T F S Helper Ship
    GreenPlaneF4F-3: FuelKai 90 AmmoKai 90 BauxiteKai 270[Edit]
    - 0 2/5 2/3 S
     
     
     
     
    S M
    S
     
    S M
    S
     
     
    S
    S K
     
    S
    S K
     
    Saratoga
    Saratoga Kai
    Saratoga Mk.II
    Consumes: 1x Carrier-based Fighter Aircraft Icon SimpleType 96 Fighter 6 3/6 2/4
    Consumes: 2x Anti-Aircraft Gun Icon Simple12.7mm Single Machine Gun Mount
    Produces: 1x Carrier-based Fighter Aircraft Icon SimpleF4F-4
    10 4/8 3/5
    GreenPlaneF4F-4: FuelKai 100 AmmoKai 120 BauxiteKai 300[Edit]
    Consumes: 1x Carrier-based Fighter Aircraft Icon SimpleType 0 Fighter Model 21 0 3/6 3/4 S
    S K
    S M
    S
    S K
     
     
    S K
     
     
     
    S M
    Saratoga
    Saratoga Kai
    Saratoga Mk.II
    Consumes: 1x Carrier-based Fighter Aircraft Icon SimpleType 0 Fighter Model 32 6 4/8 3/6
    Consumes: 2x Carrier-based Fighter Aircraft Icon SimpleType 0 Fighter Model 52
    Produces: 1x Carrier-based Fighter Aircraft Icon SimpleF6F-3
    10 8/16 6/9
    GreenPlaneF6F-3: FuelKai 160 AmmoKai 180 BauxiteKai 380[Edit]
    Consumes: 2x Carrier-based Fighter Aircraft Icon SimpleType 0 Fighter Model 52 0 3/7 4/6 S S S Saratoga Kai (Mk.II/Mk.II Mod.2)
    Consumes: 1x Carrier-based Fighter Aircraft Icon SimpleShiden Kai 2 6 8/10 6/8
    Consumes: 2x Carrier-based Fighter Aircraft Icon SimpleShiden Kai 2
    Produces: 1x Carrier-based Fighter Aircraft Icon SimpleF6F-5
    10 12/18 8/16
    Development material icon Improvement material icon S M T W T F S Helper Ship

    New Quests

    ID Requirements FuelAmmunitionSteelBauxite Rewards Note
    A80 精強「任務部隊」を編成せよ!
    Organize a Powerful Task Force!
    Have Saratoga Mk.IISaratoga Mk.II Banner or Saratoga Mk.II Mod.2Saratoga Mk.II Mod.2 Banner as flagship with 1 Light Cruiser and 2 Destroyers in your main fleet. 0 / 300 / 0 / 300 First, pick between
    F6F-3F6F-3 205 Card or F4U-1DF4U-1D 233 Card
    NEXT
    pick between
    TBFTBF 256 Card or New Model Aerial Armament MaterialsItem Card New Model Aerial Armament Material
    Requires: Bd1 and A19
    C13 輸送部隊の練度向上に務めよ!
    Raise the Transport Unit's Experience!
    Get 4 victories in Exercises within the same day 300 / 300 / 0 / 0 Improvement Materials X 2
    , choice between Daihatsu Landing CraftDaihatsu Landing Craft 068 Card
    or
    Furniture fairyFurniture Fairy
    Requires: D17, Bd5
    B105 精強大型航空母艦、抜錨!
    Large Powerful Aircraft Carrier, Setting Sail
    Sortie Saratoga Mk.IISaratoga Mk.II Banner or Saratoga Mk.II Mod.2Saratoga Mk.II Mod.2 Banner as flagship, 1 Light Cruiser, 2 Destroyers with 2 additional ships to world 5-5, 6-2 and obtain S-rank victories at the boss nodes. 0 / 0 / 700 / 700 First, choice between
    F6F-3F6F-3 205 Card
    or
    Skilled Crew Member IconSkilled Crew Member
    or
    New Model Aerial Armament MaterialsItem Card New Model Aerial Armament Material
    Second, choice between
    TBFTBF 256 Card
    or
    Night Operation Aviation PersonnelNight Operation Aviation Personnel 258 Card
    Requires: A80, Bd2
    B106 夜間作戦空母、前線に出撃せよ!
    Sortie Saratoga Mk.IISaratoga Mk.II Banner as flagship to world 6-5 and obtain S-rank at the boss node. 0 / 0 / 0 / 1000 First, choice between
    TBFTBF 256 Card
    or
    Night Operation Aviation Personnel + Skilled DeckhandsNight Operation Aviation Personnel + Skilled Deckhands 259 Card
    or
    New Model Aerial Armament MaterialsItem Card New Model Aerial Armament Material
    Second, choice between
    Reinforcement expansion 064 useitemReinforcement Expansion
    or
    New Model Aerial Armament MaterialsItem Card New Model Aerial Armament Material
    or
    Skilled Crew Member IconSkilled Crew Member
    Requires: B105 and B91
    F61 夜戦型艦上戦闘機の開発
    Nighttime Carrier-based Fighter Development
    Prepare 30 Development material, 6 Improvement Materials, 5000 bauxite and one New Model Aerial Armament MaterialsItem Card New Model Aerial Armament Material in your inventory. Have a ★max and Aircraft Proficiency Gold Chevron

    F6F-3F6F-3 205 Card equipped in the first slot of the secretary ship, scrap two Type 13 Air RadarType 13 Air Radar 027 Card and two Type 22 Surface RadarType 22 Surface Radar 028 Card
    ※Equipment must be unlocked.
    ※Consumes all the resources and equipment.

    0 / 100 / 0 / 0 F6F-3NF6F-3N 254 Card Requires: A80 and F8
    F62 夜間作戦型艦上攻撃機の開発
    Nighttime Carrier-based Torpedo Bomber Development
    Prepare 40 Development material, 10 Improvement Materials, 5000 ammo, 8000 bauxite, one Skilled Crew Member IconSkilled Crew Member and one New Model Aerial Armament MaterialsItem Card New Model Aerial Armament Material in your inventory. Have a TBFTBF 256 Card equipped in the first slot of the secretary ship, scrap two Type 13 Air RadarType 13 Air Radar 027 Card and two Type 22 Surface RadarType 22 Surface Radar 028 Card.

    ※Equipment must be unlocked.
    ※Consumes all the resources and equipment.

    100 / 0 / 0 / 0 TBM-3DTBM-3D 257 Card Requires: F34 and F61
    F63 夜戦型艦上戦闘機の性能強化
    The Performance Improvement of the Nighttime Carrier-based Fighter
    Prepare 40 Development material, 8 Improvement Materials, 6000 bauxite and one New Model Aerial Armament MaterialsItem Card New Model Aerial Armament Material in your inventory. Have a ★max and Aircraft Proficiency Gold Chevron

    F6F-5F6F-5 206 Card equipped in the first slot of the secretary ship, scrap two Type 13 Air RadarType 13 Air Radar 027 Card and two Type 22 Surface RadarType 22 Surface Radar 028 Card
    ※Equipment must be unlocked.
    ※Consumes all the resources and equipment.

    0 / 100 / 0 / 0 F6F-5NF6F-5N 255 Card Requires: F61 and B105


    New Furniture

    • Nagatsuki's WallpaperNEW!

    • Nagatsuki's FloorNEW!

    • Nagatsuki's Autumn WindowNEW!

    • Tsukiyomi's PhonographNEW!

    Developer tweets

    Twitter logo blue @KanColle_STAFF Pre Update

    JP

    The next KanColle Maintenance & Update is scheduled for September 11th, Monday. Through this Maintenance, the Summer 2017 Event 【Recross through the West! Europe Rescue Operation】 will come to an end. Also, from this Maintenance, a certain Foreign Large Aircraft Carrier will be receiving her Kai Ni remodel.

    次回の「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群共通メンテナンス&アップデートは【9/11(月)】を予定しています。同メンテ突入を以て、現在展開中の夏イベ2017:期間限定海域【西方再打通!欧州救援作戦】は全作戦終了です。また、同メンテではある海外大型正規空母【改二】改装も実装予定です。

    JP

    The next KanColle Server Maintenance & Update is scheduled for September 11th, Monday. Through this Maintenance, the Summer 2017 Event 【Recross through the West! Europe Rescue Operation】 will come to an end. For Admirals who are still in the middle of the operation, please be advised.

    次回の「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群共通メンテナンス&アップデートは【9/11(月)】を予定しています。同メンテナンス突入時刻を以て、現在展開中の夏イベ2017:期間限定海域【西方再打通!欧州救援作戦】は全作戦終了です。現在同作戦行動中の提督方はご留意頂けますと幸いです。

    JP

    KanColle Development is preparing for the next Maintenance & Updates, which is scheduled for September 11th Monday. During this Maintenance, a certain Foreign Large-Scaled Fleet Carrier will be obtaining her Kai Ni remodel, and along with it, new Aircrafts Equipment will also become available. Please look forward to it a bit!

    現在「艦これ」運営鎮守府では、次回「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群共通メンテナンス&アップデートの準備を進めています。同メンテナンスは【9/11(月)】を予定しています。同メンテではある海外大型正規空母【改二】改装、及びそれに伴う新艦載機装備も実装予定です。少しだけお楽しみに!

    JP

    The currently ongoing Summer 2017 Event 【Recross through the West! Europe Rescue Operation】 will come to an end through the September 11th Maintenance & Updates next Monday. For Admirals who are still going through the Event, we hope for the best and good luck for you for the final week!

    現在展開中の夏イベ2017:期間限定海域【西方再打通!欧州救援作戦】は、来週【9/11(月)】実施予定の「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群共通メンテナンス&アップデート突入を以て、全作戦終了です。現在夏イベ作戦行動中の提督の皆さん、ラスト一週間、奮闘と勝利をお祈り致します!

    JP

    Currently KanColle Development is preparing for the next Maintenance & Updates scheduled for September 11th, Monday. Through this Maintenance & Updates, a certain Foreign Large-scale Aircraft Carrier will be receiving her 【Kai Ni】 remodel, and along with Aircrafts pertaining to her 2nd remodel, Ship Girls will also be entering their Autumn Seasonal Yukata mode. Please look forward to it!

    現在「艦これ」運営鎮守府では、【9/11(月)】実施予定の次回「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群共通メンテナンスの準備を進めています。同メンテに伴うアップデートではある海外大型空母【改二】改装及びそれに伴う新【艦載機】、艦娘【浴衣mode】の実装などを予定しています。お楽しみに!

    JP

    During Tomorrow's Sept 12th Maintenance which will start from 11 AM and estimated to end at 19:00, the Foreign Large-Scale Aircraft Carrier will be receiving her Kai Ni. Along with that, the entire Aircraft Carrier ship-class will receive a New Update as well!

    次回の「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群共通メンテナンスは、明日【9/12(火) 11:00】より実施、作業完了は同日【19:00】を予定しています。同メンテナンスに伴うアップデートでは、ある海外大型正規空母の改二改装の実装、そして全航空母艦に関連するアップデートを実施予定です!

    JP

    本日この後【11:00】より「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群はメンテナンス&アップデートに突入致します。同作業完了は【19:00】を予定しています。提督の皆さん、お手数をお掛けします、メンテ開始前に「艦これ」を一旦終了して頂けますと幸いです。ご協力どうぞよろしくお願い致します!

    JP

    メンテナンス状況:稼働全サーバ群、メンテナンスに突入しました。 「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群は、メンテナンス&アップデート作業に入りました。夏イベ、お疲れさまでした!本日のメンテ全作業完了は現在【19:00】を予定しています。進捗状況を随時お知らせできるよう努めます。

    JP

    メンテナンス状況:メンテナンス作業中です。 現在「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群は、メンテナンス&アップデート作業中です。作業は、中盤のシークエンスに移行しつつあります。現在のところ、作業は順調に進捗しています。同作業完了は、現時点では【19:00】を予定しています。

    JP

    メンテナンス状況:メンテナンス作業中です。 現在「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群は、メンテナンス&アップデート作業中です。「艦これ」の季節も秋へと移り変わっていきます。本日のアップデートでは、家具屋さんのお品書きも秋家具へ、艦娘「浴衣」modeの期間限定実装なども進めています。

    JP

    メンテナンス状況:メンテナンス作業中です。 現在「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群は、メンテナンス&アップデート作業中です。進捗は後半のシークエンスに移行していますが、一部サーバ群の作業に遅れが発生しています。申し訳ありません、1時間半程度、作業完了時間が押す見込みです。

    JP

    メンテナンス状況:現在のところ【20:30】完了見込みです。 現在「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群はメンテナンス&アップデート実施中です。既に本線作業に回復していますが、一部作業に遅れが発生しており、全サーバ群開放は現在【20:30】の見込みです。お待たせして申し訳ありません。

    Twitter logo blue @KanColle_STAFF Patch notes

    JP

    Event is over

    本日実施中の「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群メンテナンスに伴う、アップデート情報をお知らせしていきます。 01▼【夏イベ2017:期間限定海域】作戦終了 夏イベント2017:期間限定海域【西方再打通!欧州救援作戦】全作戦終了です。作戦参加され提督の皆さん、お疲れさまでした!

    JP

    Swimsuit graphics and limited time summer voice lines are over. Also, Naganami's cooking mode is over.

    02▼夏季限定艦娘【水着】mode&同限定ボイスの実装終了 夏季期間限定艦娘「水着」mode及び同「夏ボイス」の実装を終了します。また「長波」の「炒飯」modeの実装も終了となります。艦娘「水着」mode及び「炒飯」modeは、それぞれ艦娘図鑑に格納されます

    JP

    Zuiun festival mode is over

    03▼艦娘【鎮守府「瑞雲」祭り】modeの期間限定実装終了 艦娘鎮守府「瑞雲」祭りmodeの期間限定実装を終了します。鎮守府「瑞雲」祭りにご参加頂いた、または応援頂いた提督の皆さん、本当にありがとうございました!いよいよ「艦これ」の季節も秋に移り変わっていきます。

    JP

    4: Limited-time yukata graphics, including Kamoi, Libeccio

    04▼艦娘「浴衣」mode等期間限定実装を開始 今年も艦娘「浴衣」modeを期間限定本家実装、開始致します。補給艦/水上機母艦「神威」、駆逐艦「Libeccio」にも「浴衣」modeが実装されます。どうぞよろしくお願い致します!

    JP

    5: Yura Kai Ni, Etorofu, Matsuwa get yukata modes. Although it's a bit ahead of season, Isokaze is grilling fish again.

    05▼「由良改二」などに艦娘「浴衣」mode等実装開始 軽巡「由良改二」、そして択捉型海防艦「択捉」「松輪」にも、「浴衣」modeを実装開始です。そして少し早いですが、「磯風」は今年も秋刀魚を焼き始めました。今季も艦娘たちとの鎮守府秋祭り、どうぞよろしくお願い致します!

    JP

    6: New fall voice lines for Asakaze, Matsukaze, Hatakaze, Amagiri, Sagiri, Ark Royal, Richelieu.

    06▼艦娘「秋ボイス」の期間限定実装開始 季節は秋……艦娘「秋ボイス」を、今年も期間限定実装です。また、駆逐艦「朝風」「松風」「旗風」や「天霧」「狭霧」、航空母艦「Ark Royal」や戦艦「Richelieu」など新規「秋ボイス」も実装開始です。

    JP

    07▼【家具屋さん】お品書き「秋」の更新 1/3 「家具屋さん」のお品書きが更新され、下記の新家具含む新旧「秋」季節家具などが実装されます。 ・鎮守府秋祭りの屋台 ・鎮守府秋祭りの射的 ・長月の床 new! ・秋の床板 ・紅葉の職人床 ・中秋の名月敷物 ・高級木材の壁

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    08▼【家具屋さん】お品書き「秋」の更新 2/3 ・秋仕様の壁紙 ・折鶴の壁紙 ・紅葉の壁紙 ・長月の壁紙 new! ・赤とんぼの壁紙 ・「海上護衛」掛け軸 ・「なのです」掛け軸 ・「観艦式」掛け軸 ・「加賀」模型と桐箪笥 ・温泉檜風呂 ・富嶽タイル画

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    09▼【家具屋さん】お品書き秋の更新 3/3 ・緑カーテンの窓 ・秋の気配な窓 ・長月の秋窓 new! ・お月見窓 ・豪華なお月見窓 ・すすきの窓 ・ドレッサー ・ハンガーラック ・メルヘンシェルフ ・月夜海(つきよみ)の蓄音機 new! ・提督の書斎机 ・秋刀魚の食卓

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    10: Hot spring bath and Hinoki wood hot spring bath are entering fall mode. Also, the counter bar now interacts with the newly implemented ship girls from the Summer event. In addition, the counter bar's summer mode has ended and will slowly change as the season shifts to autumn.

    10▼【季節の移り変わり対応家具】の季節更新 「温泉檜風呂」及び「温泉岩風呂」が秋modeに移行します。また、「鎮守府カウンターバー」に夏イベ新艦娘たちの対応が開始されました。同カウンターバーも夏modeが終了し、季節は少しずつ秋に移り変わっていきます。

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    jukebox update new vocal song "Moonlit Sea"

    11▼【鎮守府ジュークボックス】の更新 「鎮守府ジュークボックス」を更新、表示曲順が更新されます。 秋の鎮守府BGM、 ♪「鎮守府の秋祭り」 ♪「秋月の空」 そして、新ボーカル曲 ♪「月夜海」 秋刀魚四人衆の歌う試製先行ショートバージョン、どうぞよろしくお願い致します!

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    12: 15.2cm Triple Gun Mount has become upgradable at Akashi's Workshop

    12▼【改修工廠(明石の工廠)】新改修メニュー追加実装 2/2 改修工廠(明石の工廠)が拡張され、ある艦娘がサポートすることで 「15.2cm三連装砲」 の装備改修が可能になります。

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    13: F6F-3, F6F-5 have become improvable as well. These equipments can be upgraded into nightime carrier-based fighters by certain mission(s).

    13▼【改修工廠(明石の工廠)】新改修メニュー追加実装 2/2 改修工廠(明石の工廠)が拡張され、ある艦娘がサポートすることで 「F6F-3」 「F6F-5」 の装備改修が可能になります。 ※同装備は任務によって【夜間戦闘機型艦上戦闘機】に更新することも可能となります。

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    14: new equipment: carrier-based torpedo bomber "TBF", nighttime carrier-based torpedo bomber "TBM-3D", aerial support equipment/personnel "Nighttime Aviation Crew", aerial support equipment/personnel "Nighttime Aviation Crew + Skilled Deck Hand". These are obtainable in the Mk. II-related missions(?) implemented today.

    14▼【新装備】の実装 下記新装備が実装されます。 艦上攻撃機「TBF」 夜間作戦型艦上攻撃機「TBM-3D」 航空作戦支援装備/要員「夜間作戦航空要員」 航空作戦支援装備/要員「夜間作戦航空要員+熟練甲板員」 ※本日実装のMk.II改装関連の任務等で獲得可能です。

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    15: New missions: Organize a Powerful Task Force!, Raise the Transport Unit's Experience!, Nighttime Carrier-based Fighter Development, Nighttime Carrier-based Torpedo Bomber Development, Large Powerful Aircraft Carrier, Setting Sail!, and others

    15▼【新任務】の追加実装 下記を含む新任務が実装されます。 ●精強「任務部隊」を編成せよ! ●輸送部隊の練度向上に務めよ! ●夜戦型艦上戦闘機の開発 ●夜間作戦型艦上攻撃機の開発 ●精強大型航空母艦、抜錨! 他 ※各任務の受諾には、トリガー条件の達成が必要です。

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    16: Saratoga Mk.II implementation: Large Aircraft Carrier Saratoga can be remodelled into the Night Operation-capable Aircraft Carrier Saratoga Mk.II (this requires blueprint and prototype flight deck catapult)

    16▼航空母艦「Saratoga」Mk.II改装の実装 大型正規空母「Saratoga」が、さらなる改装により、夜間作戦用航空母艦「Saratoga Mk.II」に改装可能になります。 ※本改装には「改装設計図」及び「甲板用カタパルト」が必要です。

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    17: Saratoga Mk.II can be further remodelled into Armored Carrier Saratoga Mk.II Mod.2 by a conversion remodel. (Does not require blueprint.)

    17▼航空母艦「Saratoga Mk.II」のさらなる改装 夜間作戦用航空母艦「Saratoga Mk.II」は、さらなる改装により装甲空母「Saratoga Mk.II Mod.2」にコンバート改装が可能になります。 ※本コンバート改装には「改装設計図」は不要です。

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    18: Large-scale Construction Update: Kamoi is craftable, and under certain conditions Saratoga is craftable

    18▼【大型艦建造】の拡張 【大型艦建造】システムにより、補給艦/水上機母艦「神威」の建造が可能になりました。また、特定の条件下において航空母艦「Saratoga」の建造も可能となります。 ※大型艦建造は、資源/資材等に重要な余裕のある時に実行ください。

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    19: Aircraft carrier "Fighter Bomber Combination" cut-in attack implementation: based on the planes used by the carrier, it's possible for a stronger-than-normal cut-in attack to be performed. (Only the strongest portion of the enemy abyssal vessals are able to perform this attack)

    19▼航空母艦「戦爆連合」カットイン攻撃の実装 航空母艦の運用する艦載機の構成によって、昼間戦闘において、航空母艦が艦載機による通常より効果の高い攻撃を繰り出すカットイン攻撃が実装されました。※敵深海棲艦は、現在は最前線周辺の一部精強空母のみ、同攻撃が行えます。

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    20: Supplemental Information about the carrier cut-in: night operation-capable aircraft carriers can, depending on their equipped planes, perform cut-in attacks at night. *The aircraft carrier cut-in attacks are planned to be updated and expanded in variety in the future.

    20▼航空母艦カットイン攻撃の補足 ※夜間作戦用航空母艦、または装備等によって夜間作戦能力を持った空母は、搭載機の構成によって、夜襲カットイン攻撃を行う場合があります。 ※本日実装が開始された「航空母艦カットイン攻撃」は、今後内容及び種類等が更新されていく予定です。

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    21: Amagiri Kai New CG graphic and Luigi Torelli Kai is available to view on Ship Girls Library

    21▼表示関連の更新! ・「天霧改」専用グラフィックを実装! ・「Luigi Torelli改」グラフィックを艦娘図鑑で閲覧可能に すみません、本日アップデート情報、後半焦ってお知らせ抜けてしまいました。秋の夜長も「艦これ」と「艦娘」たちをどうぞよろしくお願い致します!

    Twitter logo blue @KanColle_STAFF Post-maintenance tweets

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    大変お待たせ致しました!まだ、本日のメンテナンス&アップデート情報のご案内の途中ですが、先ほどより稼働全サーバ群の再開放が開始されました。メンテナンス直後はアクセスが集中します。少し時間をおいて、「艦これ」に接続をお願いできますと幸いです。お待たせ致しました!

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    本日実施の「艦これ」稼働全サーバ群メンテナンス&アップデート、作業完了済です!メンテナンス明け直後は接続が集中します。表示や更新が不安定、またはサーバ再開放直後に接続した提督の皆さんは、キャッシュを削除後に、再接続をお試し頂けますと幸いです。大変お待たせ致しました!

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    • Saratoga Kai Ni HYPE.. ヽ(´▽`)/

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    • Hope it is for real this time, for my Sara has gone to the deep end with little hope for recovery...

      Sara to the deep end edit
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    • hoo boi look at the date

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    • To give her OP equiptments or Swordfish

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    • Xopowoh wrote:
      To give her OP equiptments or Swordfish

      like I guessed in a previous thread, here are the possibilities:

      stock equipment of F6F-3 and F4U-1D (with the F6F-3 able to be upgraded to F6F-5 via Akashi)

      or implementation of TBF-1/TBM-1 as Sara stock to go with the planes aforementioned.

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    • Time to call 911.

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    • That's why we got a catapult on E-6?

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    • oh it's official now?

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    • SSTHZero wrote: That's why we got a catapult on E-6?
      Seems like it. Also, it was called "Kai Ni", not mk2 or anything of the sort, that's why we're using the Japanese catapults for the upgrade (instead of importing catapults from USN).
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    • Raise the freedom guns! Make Kancolle great again!

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    • But if Sara starts using foreign imports, will she start wearing a japanese hakama and such?!

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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      SSTHZero wrote: That's why we got a catapult on E-6?
      Seems like it. Also, it was called "Kai Ni", not mk2 or anything of the sort, that's why we're using the Japanese catapults for the upgrade (instead of importing catapults from USN).

      Zara Due was known as Kai Ni in the Jan 13 Twitter, so don't over-guess, Saratoga using a Japanese catapult, while being camouflaged as per her 1944 remodel (as per F4U fairy)? Not quite possible.


      Edit: Zara Due was also mentioned as a Kai Ni in Feb 27 twitter.

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    • Magna.Zero wrote:
      hoo boi look at the date

      Kamikazes confirmed.

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    • No, Sara, jet fuel can't melt steel beams.

      SSTHZero wrote:
      That's why we got a catapult on E-6?

      also, yes.

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    • Martirsadota wrote:
      No, Sara, jet fuel can't melt steel beams.

      SSTHZero wrote:
      That's why we got a catapult on E-6?

      also, yes.

      God dammit, NO.

      Just bloody check the twitters, they refer to foreign "due", "zwei", "dva" as "Kai Ni"s as well.

      The E-6 catapult is more likely for those who got Taiyo but not the catapult from the last event since the catapult was in a later stage than Taiyo.

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    • Maybe the catapult is for Ark Royal...

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    • I think the catapult is for crane dupes.

      /thonking

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    • Whatever the case, the event is still around for around 2 weeks. We'll just have to wait it out and see how it goes.

      Nyocchi wrote:
      But if Sara starts using foreign imports, will she start wearing a japanese hakama and such?!
      Nah, she'll wear her 1944 camo I think. Whether she uses the prototype flight deck catapult for her upgrade have nothing to do with it.

      That being said, Vcharng believes Sara already have her own catapult ready to be deployed in her second remodel, which means we wouldn't need it for her upcoming Kai Ni... hopefully.

      (inb4 we'll have to sail ALL the way to 6-6 or 7-2 to get Sara's own flight deck from American continent, or at least Pearl Harbor)

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    • Is Ark Royal consider large? If so, I think the upcoming Kai 2 is not Sara but her.

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    • Viet Anh Vu wrote:
      Is Ark Royal consider large? If so, I think the upcoming Kai 2 is not Sara but her.

      It's been heavily hinted it's Sara. Besides this has been for quite some time so I'm pretty sure the upcoming kai ni is for Saratoga.

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    • Viet Anh Vu wrote:

      Is Ark Royal consider large? If so, I think the upcoming Kai 2 is not Sara but her.

      Ark Royal is heavier than than Hiryuu in displacement but she's nowhere as large as Saratoga. Not to mention that Saratoga was the largest CV at the time of her commissioning, and is the largest foreign aircraft carrier we have right now.
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    • Viet Anh Vu wrote:
      Is Ark Royal consider large? If so, I think the upcoming Kai 2 is not Sara but her.

      Well Japanese KC wiki compares the American Yorktown-class, the Japanese Soryu and Hiryu, and the British Ark Royal to be the first combat model medium carriers of their respective country. So I think in the Japanese perspective Ark may be considered a medium-sized CV instead.

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    • Viet Anh Vu wrote:
      Is Ark Royal consider large? If so, I think the upcoming Kai 2 is not Sara but her.

      IIRC devs said that Sara kai ni is around this summer, and i think summer in japan nearing its end so its hard to think that this update is not sara. why ?  because if this update is not sara they will give sara kai ni later which already pass summer

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      with F6F night version being reward ranking theres no more doubt with sara kai ni XD

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    • I couldn't help it and married her a month ago... now I need a dupe for a K2 wedding scene xD

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    • 天津の風 wrote:
      Viet Anh Vu wrote:
      Is Ark Royal consider large? If so, I think the upcoming Kai 2 is not Sara but her.
      IIRC devs said that Sara kai ni is around this summer, and i think summer in japan nearing its end so its hard to think that this update is not sara. why ?  because if this update is not sara they will give sara kai ni later which already pass summer

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      with F6F night version being reward ranking theres no more doubt with sara kai ni XD

      Yes, just received update news from KC3, the new planes should be belong to Sara

      Too bad I do not have her because Im newbie.

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    • Maybe I should just use this banner instead :P

      SARATOGA K2 INCOMING copy copy
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    • @shinhwalee LOL at ark royal on that banner XD. She`s like "hmmm, yeah. I`m not here" lol

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    • here we go again, kai ni hype.

      but i still stuck at E5H RNG.

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    • Inb4 Ark

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    • RandomHitagi wrote:
      Inb4 Ark

      Read Above. She can't fucking be categorized as a Large Aircraft Carrier due to her size and displacement. 

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    • I hope we can build her.

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    • RandomHitagi wrote: Inb4 Ark
      Dude, the night version of Hellcats was out yesterday for the upcoming Kai Ni. Ark Royal had never operated any Hellcats and her chest aren't big enough.

      And just so people know about the displacement for foreign CVs:

      Ark Royal : 22,000 long tons (22,000 t) - 27,720 long tons (28,160 t)
      Aquila : 23,500 long tons (23,900 t) - 27,800 long tons (28,200 t)
      Graf Zeppelin : 33,550 long tons (34,088.4 t) - (deep load untested)
      Saratoga : 36,000 long tons (37,000 t) - 43,055 long tons (43,746 t)

      Ark Royal is actually the lightest of all the foreign aircraft carriers we have in our service (yes, even Aquila outweighs her in displacement, nevermind Graf and Saratoga).

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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      RandomHitagi wrote: Inb4 Ark
      Dude, the night version of Hellcats was out yesterday for the upcoming Kai Ni. Ark Royal had never operated any Hellcats and her chest aren't big enough.And just so people know about the displacement for foreign CVs:

      Ark Royal : 22,000 long tons (22,000 t) - 27,720 long tons (28,160 t)
      Aquila : 23,500 long tons (23,900 t) - 27,800 long tons (28,200 t)
      Graf Zeppelin : 33,550 long tons (34,088.4 t) - (deep load untested)
      Saratoga : 36,000 long tons (37,000 t) - 43,055 long tons (43,746 t)

      Ark Royal is actually the lightest of all the foreign aircraft carriers we have in our service (yes, even Aquila outweighs her in displacement, nevermind Graf and Saratoga).

      People just in denial cause they don't have Saratoga yet 

      American Lol
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    • Shinhwalee wrote:

      People just in denial cause they don't have Saratoga yet 

      American Lol
      Leave them be. These burger shipgirls costs an XL-sized buffet to maintain.

      Boat hueg 11 11 1 1111

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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      Shinhwalee wrote:
      People just in denial cause they don't have Saratoga yet 
      American Lol
      Leave them be. These burger shipgirls costs an XL-sized buffet to maintain.

      Boat hueg 11 11 1 1111

      I thought they needed XXL sized buffet. 

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      I thought they needed XXL sized buffet.
      You thought so? Personally I thought the XXL buffet goes towards the Yamato-class. To say nothing about the XXL-sized offering to build them.
      Lsc boost pre-event
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    • @AR-CEL

      you can ask the god of naval design for that  :D

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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      Shinhwalee wrote:
      I thought they needed XXL sized buffet.
      You thought so? Personally I thought the XXL buffet goes towards the Yamato-class. To say nothing about the XXL-sized offering to build them.
      Lsc

      Well...

      Iowa calories

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    • well IOWA was consider as designed by the american to be YAMATO's rival but this 2 never meet on battle

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    • Seldrick wrote: well IOWA was consider as designed by the american to be YAMATO's rival but this 2 never meet on battle
      Not really, the USN considered building Montana-class to counter the Yamato-class, because Iowa isn't going to be able to stood against Yamato in a head-on fight. Nevertheless, Iowa's mk7 guns are built with penetration capacity comparable to Yamato's main guns, (that, and Montana was never built because reasons) which is why people pitted both classes together.
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    • IOWA was considered to be YAMATO's rival because IOWA was the only ship they got that time and IOWA advantage was she has a long range guns than yamato so they can use that as her advatange to counter YAMATO. But they also make MONTANA as their back up for sure victory if IOWA can't defeat YAMATO. but unfortunately they never use this 2 ship to kill YAMATO they only use more numbers of bomber planes to kill YAMATO. :-(

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    • Seldrick wrote:

      IOWA was considered to be YAMATO's rival because IOWA was the only ship they got that time and IOWA advantage was she has a long range guns than yamato so they can use that as her advatange to counter YAMATO. But they also make MONTANA as their back up for sure victory if IOWA can't defeat YAMATO. but unfortunately they never use this 2 ship to kill YAMATO they only use more numbers of bomber planes to kill YAMATO. :-(

      They didn't quite manage to complete Montana when Pearl Harbor happened. Plus battleships are very expensive even for USN at that time. The USN did had a chance to fight Yamato at Leyte, but the USN declined to engage Yamato's fleet.


      Well, let's just leave the off-topic topic at that...

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    • Well Iowa was originally planned to counter Japanese BBs, but she was later redefined as a "battleship who lives in the era of carriers". So it's no surprise that Montana was discontinued, as the age of battleships have long passed away.

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    • Let's just leave the "who of the two would win in a fair fight" to others and their separate off-wiki discussions and return to the questions regarding Saratoga Kai ni.

      It was floated on the July Rewards thread that suggested an armored CV version of her kai ni, reversible or not. But I'm thinking that's unlikely as Sara never got such upgrade and the most she got by 1945 was replacement of her two elevators with Essex-type lifts, and catapult installation. So I'm guessing her kai ni would be one-stage and not two-stage reversible, so as to give her the F6F, F4U, (and possibly TBF/TBD), planes she carried in Iwo.

      That still leaves open the question if she'll also carry the night fighter variants.

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    • Goddammit.

      Saratoga as drop next event pls? *facedesk*

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    • Dreddz wrote:
      Let's just leave the "who of the two would win in a fair fight" to others and their separate off-wiki discussions and return to the questions regarding Saratoga Kai ni.

      It was floated on the July Rewards thread that suggested an armored CV version of her kai ni, reversible or not. But I'm thinking that's unlikely as Sara never got such upgrade and the most she got by 1945 was replacement of her two elevators with Essex-type lifts, and catapult installation. So I'm guessing her kai ni would be one-stage and not two-stage reversible, so as to give her the F6F, F4U, (and possibly TBF/TBD), planes she carried in Iwo.

      That still leaves open the question if she'll also carry the night fighter variants.

      I think you actually wanted to say "TBF/TBM". TBD is already here, and it sucks as it's supposed to be.

      And acutally Sara only got one of her two elevators upgraded, the other was removed (and a plate was installed in its place).

      Now, we already have 4 different aircrafts with a Sara fairy, they are: F6F-5, F6F-3N, F6F-5N, F4U-1D, all of which SHOULD be introduced in a way somewhat related to Sara's K2 (my guess is 2 of those will come with her, one will be available via quest, and the last will have to be upgraded via Akashi), and there really isn't much space left for TBF/TBM/SB2C to be introduced in this wave of US carrier update.

      So maybe the TBF/TBM/SB2C will have to wait until the Yorktown-class Sara mentioned to be introduced.

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    • Vcharng wrote:
      So maybe the TBF/TBM/SB2C will have to wait until the Yorktown-class Sara mentioned to be introduced.
      inb4 we would get USN Yorktown as event reward in upcoming Winter Event. and Enterprise as next Summer's drop.
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    • I dont really get it. It makes sense if it's night bomber but fighter? We gonna have air battle in yasen?

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    • Magna.Zero wrote: hoo boi look at the date

      Saratoga confirmed done 9/11 *dun dun duuuun*

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    • Viet Anh Vu wrote:
      I dont really get it. It makes sense if it's night bomber but fighter? We gonna have air battle in yasen?
      Well, historically, Saratoga only had night fighters squadrons. It's the Enterprise that gets the night bombing squadrons.
      111.94.166.150 wrote:
      Magna.Zero wrote:
      hoo boi look at the date
      Saratoga confirmed done 9/11 *dun dun duuuun*
      All she needs is steel-melting jet bombers to sink it in.
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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      Viet Anh Vu wrote:
      I dont really get it. It makes sense if it's night bomber but fighter? We gonna have air battle in yasen?
      Well, historically, Saratoga only had night fighters squadrons. It's the Enterprise that gets the night bombing squadrons.
      111.94.166.150 wrote:
      Magna.Zero wrote:
      hoo boi look at the date
      Saratoga confirmed done 9/11 *dun dun duuuun*
      All she needs is steel-melting jet bombers to sink it in.

      And twin buildings to 'kamikaze' smash it.

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    • Royal Sovereign (05) wrote:
      And twin buildings to 'kamikaze' smash it.
      Better not. It's too much trouble for its worth.
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    • Oh sure. A saratoga kai ni without any way to buil her or drop her in this event. Bet she is gonna drop on 7-5 only on SS rank. I would expect that from the devs.

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    • They're gonna implement a way to get her just like Kawakaze back then, trust devs.

      I'm still thinking about "Using Crossroaders or American ship as flagship to build Sara on LSC".

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    • Tennousu wrote:
      They're gonna implement a way to get her just like Kawakaze back then, trust devs.

      I'm still thinking about "Using Crossroaders or American ship as flagship to build Sara on LSC".

      AFAIK the only crossroader obtainable outside events is Sakawa, and that's for world 6 only.

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    • So you're forgetting Nagato? That's saddening.

      And that's actually why it is good; if you don't have any then you'll burn resources and RNG to get Nagato/Sakawa, then burn more resources and RNG for Sara, then burn more for her remodel.

      Perfect.

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    • Tennousu wrote:
      So you're forgetting Nagato? That's saddening.

      And that's actually why it is good; if you don't have any then you'll burn resources and RNG to get Nagato/Sakawa, then burn more resources and RNG for Sara, then burn more for her remodel.

      Perfect.

      Oh yeah I forgot about her...she didn't participate this event due to still waiting for her K2.

      I haven't seen any K2s being so salty, if Tanaka wants Sara K2 to be barely obtainable, he can simply require us to have a catapult.

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    • Can Kamoi be a required flagship?

      Sara and she were built in the same shipyard.

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    • Imperial Kozak wrote:
      Can Kamoi be a required flagship?

      Sara and she were built in the same shipyard.

      Sure. You shouldn't expect anything else.

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    • It's just my idea, lol, inspired by how Bismarck was handled (Z1 from a quest/drop, burn resources for Bismarck, burn even more for further remodel...TWICE).

      TNK could make the way to get her super easy or super hard on a whim.

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    • Imperial Kozak wrote:
      Can Kamoi be a required flagship?

      Sara and she were built in the same shipyard.

      I actually thought about this in July, when Sara K2 was first announced.

      But the problem then becomes how are we supposed to get Kamoi.

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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      Viet Anh Vu wrote:

      Is Ark Royal consider large? If so, I think the upcoming Kai 2 is not Sara but her.

      Ark Royal is heavier than than Hiryuu in displacement but she's nowhere as large as Saratoga. Not to mention that Saratoga was the largest CV at the time of her commissioning, and is the largest foreign aircraft carrier we have right now.

      well for "nowhere as large" she is just 30 meters shorter - nowhere as heavy - yeah probably. also as far as I can keep track of RN carriers largest RN carrier during WW2, which could place her into position of "large" aircraft carrier.

      The whole situation is kind of funny to me, myself because while there are heavy obvious hints towards saratoga there are also numerous less obvious hints which can be seen only when you have high enought knowledge on history of certain ships - leading toward Ark. Which kinda goes into setup where no matter the outcome someone does get trolled - be it Sara fans, or guys with more knowledge than is healthy for this game ;)

      and then personally also I'd not create hype for any specific ship until CGI teases will get posted during downtime.

      PS. I don;t understand why so many people are so insinstent onto using displacement to compare "sizes" of ships - alot of modern destroyers have displacement above heavy cruisers of WW2 - does that make them bigger? heck no, they are in fact still smaller ships - just packed with more stuff

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    • Cemenotar wrote:

      well for "nowhere as large" she is just 30 meters shorter - nowhere as heavy - yeah probably. also as far as I can keep track of RN carriers largest RN carrier during WW2, which could place her into position of "large" aircraft carrier.

      The whole situation is kind of funny to me, myself because while there are heavy obvious hints towards saratoga there are also numerous less obvious hints which can be seen only when you have high enought knowledge on history of certain ships - leading toward Ark. Which kinda goes into setup where no matter the outcome someone does get trolled - be it Sara fans, or guys with more knowledge than is healthy for this game ;)

      and then personally also I'd not create hype for any specific ship until CGI teases will get posted during downtime.

      PS. I don;t understand why so many people are so insinstent onto using displacement to compare "sizes" of ships - alot of modern destroyers have displacement above heavy cruisers of WW2 - does that make them bigger? heck no, they are in fact still smaller ships - just packed with more stuff

      Dude, the Sara K2 was hinted by all those US aircrafts months ago, and also an interview in the beginning of this year, and even by the fact that SB2U was withdrawn in the very event she was introduced. How should Ark get her K2 now, despite all this and the fact that she was just introduced less than a month ago?

      If you don't even know the fact that displacement is THE standard of comparing sizes of ships, how are you supposed to be qualified to dictate that there are hints toward Ark that "only can be seen when you have enough knowledge"?

      The only thing that may make Ark somewhat related to Sara's K2 (and yes, it's Sara's) is that F6F-5N carries an Ark fairy, nothing more. And there are points that hints the K2 being NOT Ark:

      1. None of those aircrafts were ever operated by Ark, including the only one with her fairy, the F6F-5N, the F6F was introduced 2 years after Ark's sinking.

      2. No ship was ever given a K2 right after their introduction. The closest one was Bismarck, who was introduced in 14 March 2014 and got her K2 in 23 April (1.5 months later), and then K3 in 26 September. But Bismarck is a very rare exception: Her K2 and K3 were all compensatory measures for the fact that her Kai is too weak, and guess who is the only other example of such situation? Saratoga. She was meant to carry a successor of SBD on her Kai, and it was the SB2U, but then the devs found out that this was historically incorrect, so the SB2U was pulled (its library position reassigned to Jet Keiun Kai, likely that it will never be re-introduced), and Sara was given crap planes throughout her current remodels.

      3. The dev's word "大型正規空母" (large standard carrier) was only used on two classes of CV: Shokaku- and Lexington-class. The devs did mention "large" when hinting for Sara before Fall 2016 event, but not for Ark.

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    • Vcharng wrote:
      Cemenotar wrote:

      well for "nowhere as large" she is just 30 meters shorter - nowhere as heavy - yeah probably. also as far as I can keep track of RN carriers largest RN carrier during WW2, which could place her into position of "large" aircraft carrier.

      The whole situation is kind of funny to me, myself because while there are heavy obvious hints towards saratoga there are also numerous less obvious hints which can be seen only when you have high enought knowledge on history of certain ships - leading toward Ark. Which kinda goes into setup where no matter the outcome someone does get trolled - be it Sara fans, or guys with more knowledge than is healthy for this game ;)

      and then personally also I'd not create hype for any specific ship until CGI teases will get posted during downtime.

      PS. I don;t understand why so many people are so insinstent onto using displacement to compare "sizes" of ships - alot of modern destroyers have displacement above heavy cruisers of WW2 - does that make them bigger? heck no, they are in fact still smaller ships - just packed with more stuff

      Dude, the Sara K2 was hinted by all those US aircrafts months ago, and also an interview in the beginning of this year, and even by the fact that SB2U was withdrawn in the very event she was introduced. How should Ark get her K2 now, despite all this and the fact that she was just introduced less than a month ago?

      If you don't even know the fact that displacement is THE standard of comparing sizes of ships, how are you supposed to be qualified to dictate that there are hints toward Ark that "only can be seen when you have enough knowledge"?

      The only thing that may make Ark somewhat related to Sara's K2 (and yes, it's Sara's) is that F6F-5N carries an Ark fairy, nothing more. And there are points that hints the K2 being NOT Ark:

      1. None of those aircrafts were ever operated by Ark, including the only one with her fairy, the F6F-5N, the F6F was introduced 2 years after Ark's sinking.

      2. No ship was ever given a K2 right after their introduction. The closest one was Bismarck, who was introduced in 14 March 2014 and got her K2 in 23 April (1.5 months later), and then K3 in 26 September. But Bismarck is a very rare exception: Her K2 and K3 were all compensatory measures for the fact that her Kai is too weak, and guess who is the only other example of such situation? Saratoga. She was meant to carry a successor of SBD on her Kai, and it was the SB2U, but then the devs found out that this was historically incorrect, so the SB2U was pulled (its library position reassigned to Jet Keiun Kai, likely that it will never be re-introduced), and Sara was given crap planes throughout her current remodels.

      3. The dev's word "大型正規空母" (large standard carrier) was only used on two classes of CV: Shokaku- and Lexington-class. The devs did mention "large" when hinting for Sara before Fall 2016 event, but not for Ark.

      yes displacement is commonly used to compare ships - but in no credible source I have seem someone claiming ship being SMALLER or LARGER based on displacement.

      1. were not operated by Ark, but were operated - even in this specific version [night fighters] by British forces [were given them from USAF]

      1.1. also check out what saratoga was doing in indan ocean, and look what fairies of F6F-5N are doing

      1.2. Also Ark historically was fitted with plane catapult - in same even she was introduced we were given prototype deck catapult without no obvious use for it

      1.3. it is not uncommon practice in KC to use remodel mechanics to make ship into equivalent of it's successor - first obvious example - Bismarck Drei being de fact Tirpitz, other less obvious pararels would be Suzuya/Kumano Kai Ni Carrier and Ibuki

      2. Also in no event before we were given prototype deck catapult without being given at same type a ship to spend it on. and planes aside last time I was checkign on opinions about sara she was perceived as "already very strong carrier", While also in it's current forms Ark (kai) does not perform up to it's historical parameters - heck she was more armored than any IJN carrier until Taiho and yet ends up with less armor than all of them? yeah

      3. for all I know they were only hinting "large foreign carrier" with no specification on which exacly ship it was - msot of rest is speculation based on other hints.

      Don't get me wrong - I am not saying that it will definitelly being Ark and not Saratoga - as for the moment beign there is alot of strong obvious hints pointing at saratoga - but jumping out the gun and claiming it is definitelly going to be saratoga at this point is still imo premature and risky move - especially considering hints toward different ships existing in such a number - and I didn;t even list above all of them - to which hints to notice you'd need to posses considerable amount of historical knowledge - and I do not "dictate" anything here I am stating a simple fact here.

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    • Vcharng wrote:

      2. No ship was ever given a K2 right after their introduction. The closest one was Bismarck, who was introduced in 14 March 2014 and got her K2 in 23 April (1.5 months later), and then K3 in 26 September. But Bismarck is a very rare exception: Her K2 and K3 were all compensatory measures for the fact that her Kai is too weak, and guess who is the only other example of such situation? Saratoga. She was meant to carry a successor of SBD on her Kai, and it was the SB2U, but then the devs found out that this was historically incorrect, so the SB2U was pulled (its library position reassigned to Jet Keiun Kai, likely that it will never be re-introduced), and Sara was given crap planes throughout her current remodels.

      Uh... How about Kasuga Maru? I thought she received her K2 right off the bat?

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    • AdmiralAlatreon wrote:
      Vcharng wrote:

      2. No ship was ever given a K2 right after their introduction. The closest one was Bismarck, who was introduced in 14 March 2014 and got her K2 in 23 April (1.5 months later), and then K3 in 26 September. But Bismarck is a very rare exception: Her K2 and K3 were all compensatory measures for the fact that her Kai is too weak, and guess who is the only other example of such situation? Saratoga. She was meant to carry a successor of SBD on her Kai, and it was the SB2U, but then the devs found out that this was historically incorrect, so the SB2U was pulled (its library position reassigned to Jet Keiun Kai, likely that it will never be re-introduced), and Sara was given crap planes throughout her current remodels.

      Uh... How about Kasuga Maru? I thought she received her K2 right off the bat?

      this is receiving second remodel WITH introduction, not just right after it, so doesn't count for his argument ;)


      there is a number of ships that received second with it's introduction, but none so far right after, and logically speaking if the protopult in the event would be meant for Ark then only logical explanation for nto givign said remodel on introduction would be second remodel containing very weird gimmick that they failed to implement on time - or just them wanting to wilingly screw with some players who would use it for duplicate shoukaku/zuikaku

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    • I thought the justification for Bismarck's zwei is just 'German science No. 1 in the world'?

      Her Kai remodel is one of the best, IMO. Some commenter on her page actually agreed on that back then.

      edit:

      Also gonna echo Cemenotar second-to-last statement (in his/her first post in this thread), even if things are rather obvious.

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    • Cemenotar wrote:
      AdmiralAlatreon wrote: Uh... How about Kasuga Maru? I thought she received her K2 right off the bat?
      this is receiving second remodel WITH introduction, not just right after it, so doesn't count for his argument ;)


      there is a number of ships that received second with it's introduction, but none so far right after, and logically speaking if the protopult in the event would be meant for Ark then only logical explanation for nto givign said remodel on introduction would be second remodel containing very weird gimmick that they failed to implement on time - or just them wanting to wilingly screw with some players who would use it for duplicate shoukaku/zuikaku

      Ah, all right. That makes sense. :)

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    • altho after some additional thoughts there is one way for whole situation to end without devs purposefully trollign anyone which would be basically both Ark and Sara receiving K2 with delay on Ark k2 being effect of it being intended to use the gimmick for night fighters which devs said will be implemented with aforementioned update.


      Really curious how events will unfold :)

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    • Vcharng wrote:

      Imperial Kozak wrote:
      Can Kamoi be a required flagship?

      Sara and she were built in the same shipyard.

      I actually thought about this in July, when Sara K2 was first announced.

      But the problem then becomes how are we supposed to get Kamoi.

      Perma-drop at 4-5 or World 6, like Libeccio?

      Too soon? Sara would be a few months too soon.

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    • Cemenotar wrote:

      1.1. also check out what saratoga was doing in indan ocean, and look what fairies of F6F-5N are doing


      We already know (from the F6F-5 fairy) that Sara K2 will be her in camouflage, and if you see this:

      http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/03a.htm

      check the early 1944 photos, including some taken with HMS Illustrious, Sara was NOT wearing a camo yet during her deployment in Indian Ocean. So whatever happens there will have little to do with her K2.

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    • Yes, Ark Royal showed up as a fairy in the F6F-5N's card.... but that doesn't mean that Ark suddenly has a chance of getting a Kai Ni anytime soon. It's far more likely that Ark in her current form - who can already perform aircraft night attacks - will be able to use the night fighters for game reasons, instead of suddenly getting an unhinted Kai Ni out of nowhere. 

      Meanwhile, Saratoga Kai Ni has been hinted at for months now, and all of the aircraft pertaining to said Kai Ni are US aircraft, thus pointing to Saratoga. It's not really premature at this point to say that Saratoga Kai Ni is coming. 

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    • AdmiralAlatreon wrote:

      Uh... How about Kasuga Maru? I thought she received her K2 right off the bat?

      Like stated by the others above, receiving K2 with introduction is different from receiving right after introduction. This is also a reason why there will be no Ark K2 anytime soon: If they want Ark K2, they would simply introduce it with Ark herself. Unless it's the case like Bismarck, there's no point putting a K2 right after the implementation of a new ship instead of just introducing them together.

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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      Viet Anh Vu wrote:
      I dont really get it. It makes sense if it's night bomber but fighter? We gonna have air battle in yasen?
      Well, historically, Saratoga only had night fighters squadrons. It's the Enterprise that gets the night bombing squadrons.
      111.94.166.150 wrote:
      Magna.Zero wrote:
      hoo boi look at the date
      Saratoga confirmed done 9/11 *dun dun duuuun*
      All she needs is steel-melting jet bombers to sink it in.

      Im talking about the purpose of having night fighter in current combat mechanism, not historically.

      What the point of having them while we have no air battle in yasen at all?

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    • maybe the only needed for Sara-tan to upgrade F4F to F6F is her K2 :D

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    • I am entertained by the people's denial over Saratoga getting Kai Ni two weeks later.


      I just came here to read the comments
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    • Viet Anh Vu wrote:
      Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      Viet Anh Vu wrote:
      I dont really get it. It makes sense if it's night bomber but fighter? We gonna have air battle in yasen?
      Well, historically, Saratoga only had night fighters squadrons. It's the Enterprise that gets the night bombing squadrons.
      111.94.166.150 wrote:
      Magna.Zero wrote:
      hoo boi look at the date
      Saratoga confirmed done 9/11 *dun dun duuuun*
      All she needs is steel-melting jet bombers to sink it in.
      Im talking about the purpose of having night fighter in current combat mechanism, not historically.

      What the point of having them while we have no air battle in yasen at all?

      Currently there is no night flying system, and I think I read about it being introduced with Sara K2.

      Perhaps we start with night air superiority -> better night CI rate, and then when we have TBF/TBM with radar we will have night airstrikes.

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    • Someone get me an Akebono or Kasumi. I need to sink a bitch to get rid of this frustration.

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    • BlastRebellion wrote:
      Someone get me an Akebono or Kasumi. I need to sink a bitch to get rid of this frustration.

      Don't be a crap admiral and torpedo her in your bed instead.

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    • Vcharng wrote:
      BlastRebellion wrote:
      Someone get me an Akebono or Kasumi. I need to sink a bitch to get rid of this frustration.
      Don't be a crap admiral and torpedo her in your bed instead.
      This is lewd
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    • Shinano when?

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    • ArcticaFrost wrote:
      Shinano when?

      No idea, also no idea how are they supposed to make a slow CV with only 47 aircrafts to be of any use...

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    • Shh, don't think to hard about it! We could fix her up with maybe 20BPs at least?

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    • ArcticaFrost wrote: Shh, don't think to hard about it! We could fix her up with maybe 20BPs at least?
      Problem is that she was built too far along (around 45%) as a Yamato-class battleship to be converted into a seaworthy aircraft carrier.
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    • Facepalm... Some people, just some.

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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      ArcticaFrost wrote: Shh, don't think to hard about it! We could fix her up with maybe 20BPs at least?
      Problem is that she was built too far along (around 45%) as a Yamato-class battleship to be converted into a seaworthy aircraft carrier.

      Yea so I was thinking that maybe her Kai or Kai Ni would be a what-if based on the assumption that she was properly remodeled, removing all the Yamato-class BB's superstructure.

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    • Vcharng wrote:
      Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      ArcticaFrost wrote: Shh, don't think to hard about it! We could fix her up with maybe 20BPs at least?
      Problem is that she was built too far along (around 45%) as a Yamato-class battleship to be converted into a seaworthy aircraft carrier.
      Yea so I was thinking that maybe her Kai or Kai Ni would be a what-if based on the assumption that she was properly remodeled, removing all the Yamato-class BB's superstructure.

      That is the mindset i'm looking for! Regardless, take this whole Shinano thing as a joke.

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    • Shinhwalee wrote: I am entertained by the people's denial over Saratoga getting Kai Ni two weeks later.


      I just came here to read the comments

      Cuz N00bs are everywhere shin

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      I am entertained by the people's denial over Saratoga getting Kai Ni two weeks later.


      I just came here to read the comments


      how about you explain to us first how could you believe that 31st July is Saratoga K2 when devs never mention about saratoga K2 instead only a certain girls get K2.  I am still remember it the first thread you created about SARATOGA K2 ON JULY 31ST !!! Before someone edited it into FUMIKAZE KAI NI. And many people saw it too. Not just me. LOL

      OR JULY 14th when you decided to use Saratoga Banner when it isnt certain about Saratoga.

      IT IS NOT ABOUT DENIAL BUT IT IS MORE LIKE PREDICTION BECAME 100% SURE THANKS TO MANY HYPE! 

      While devs never said about Saratoga K2 in their tweets only certain foreign large CV. Like how you translated devs tweet. 

      Seriously, before you go say denial how about you see yourself. How many mistake you did on update thread. Should I say it ? And I am waiting for certain person promise where he said that "if admin in this wikia did a big mistake, that admin will got banned". Still waiting... since only one admin got banned but his big mistake was controversy.

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    • Jenderal313 wrote:
      Shinhwalee wrote:
      I am entertained by the people's denial over Saratoga getting Kai Ni two weeks later.


      I just came here to read the comments

      how about you explain to us first how could you believe that 31st July is Saratoga K2 when devs never mention about saratoga K2 instead only a certain girls get K2.  I am still remember it the first thread you created about SARATOGA K2 ON JULY 31ST !!! Before someone edited it into FUMIKAZE KAI NI. And many people saw it too. Not just me. LOL

      OR JULY 14th when you decided to use Saratoga Banner when it isnt certain about Saratoga.

      IT IS NOT ABOUT DENIAL BUT IT IS MORE LIKE PREDICTION BECAME 100% SURE THANKS TO MANY HYPE! 

      While devs never said about Saratoga K2 in their tweets only certain foreign large CV. Like how you translated devs tweet. 

      Seriously, before you go say denial how about you see yourself. How many mistake you did on update thread. Should I say it ? And I am waiting for certain person promise where he said that "if admin in this wikia did a big mistake, that admin will got banned". Still waiting... since only one admin got banned but his big mistake was controversy.

      Woah bro chill....

      Among the implemented foreign CVs, Sara is the largest by displacement and considered a large aircraft carrier. It may be on the dev's side why it kept being pushed back.

      No offense or anything but please don't get triggered. Again, not offending you or anything.

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    • I am not denied about Saratoga K2. But the things now. Even home banner included Saratoga K2.

      And my another question, "Who will hold responsibility when it isnt Saratoga K2 ?". Since Tanaka did troll us many times. And until now devs didnt give 100% yes it is Saratoga. Only Foreign Large CV and a lot of hint. If Devs give it yes then I will say nothing. Seriously, I didnt say like this for my rage or anything else. But for the community too. We dont want to create many times mistake, right ?

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    • Jenderal313 wrote:

      how about you explain to us first how could you believe that 31st July is Saratoga K2 when devs never mention about saratoga K2 instead only a certain girls get K2.  I am still remember it the first thread you created about SARATOGA K2 ON JULY 31ST !!! Before someone edited it into FUMIKAZE KAI NI. And many people saw it too. Not just me. LOL

      OR JULY 14th when you decided to use Saratoga Banner when it isnt certain about Saratoga.

      IT IS NOT ABOUT DENIAL BUT IT IS MORE LIKE PREDICTION BECAME 100% SURE THANKS TO MANY HYPE! 

      While devs never said about Saratoga K2 in their tweets only certain foreign large CV. Like how you translated devs tweet. 

      Seriously, before you go say denial how about you see yourself. How many mistake you did on update thread. Should I say it ? And I am waiting for certain person promise where he said that "if admin in this wikia did a big mistake, that admin will got banned". Still waiting... since only one admin got banned but his big mistake was controversy.

      The fuck's wrong with you?

      It was "Sara COULD receive her K2 in what later became FUMI K2" from the beginning, or at least that's what the rest of the community and I received.

      And this time it's far more solid. It's a certain "overseas large carrier K2". Japanese CVs are out, Ark is out of question from the very beginning as no event ship would get a K2 at the end of the same event, and Graf and Aquila isn't nearly "large". And we had at least four hints (SB2U, interview in January, Sara's planes, twitter, more Sara's planes, so actually it's five) about Sara K2's existance dating from fall last year, it already IS 100% sure with or without the hype.


      BTW, making a wrong guess does not qualify as "did a big mistake" as in big enough to remove an admin, such mistake is restricted to a breach of forum rules and the like. Since we are dealing with a game that deliberately creates opportunities for the players to make a wrong guess (as in releasing vague announcements), there is no way we would ever outlaw wrong guesses.

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    • Jenderal313 wrote: I am not denied about Saratoga K2. But the things now. Even home banner included Saratoga K2.

      And my another question, "Who will hold responsibility when it isnt Saratoga K2 ?". Since Tanaka did troll us many times. And until now devs didnt give 100% yes it is Saratoga. Only Foreign Large CV and a lot of hint.

      If Devs give it yes then I will say nothing. Seriously, I didnt say like this for my rage or anything else. But for the community too. We dont want to create many times mistake, right ?
      You make it sound like you or your precious would die in despair if they found out that Saratoga isn't getting her K2 this time, to the point that admins were expected to be as accurate as doctors and translators were expected to be as precise as a surgeon.

      The thing is, some developers are really just that trollish, sometimes we don't have the best admins around, and sometimes false hypes can be exaggerated for some reason. Yes, things do happen, but I think you really shouldn't lose your cool over this. Especially not in a community of a game that have much of its mechanics (artillery shelling, air superiority, anti air, branching routes, etc.) weren't explicitly documented, never mind the event maps where it's all on us to scout it out.

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    • Jenderal313 wrote:
      I am not denied about Saratoga K2. But the things now. Even home banner included Saratoga K2.

      And my another question, "Who will hold responsibility when it isnt Saratoga K2 ?". Since Tanaka did troll us many times. And until now devs didnt give 100% yes it is Saratoga. Only Foreign Large CV and a lot of hint. If Devs give it yes then I will say nothing. Seriously, I didnt say like this for my rage or anything else. But for the community too. We dont want to create many times mistake, right ?

      Like stated above, nobody will, as we are playing a game which considers false intel as part of it.

      I wasted 50 buckets in 15 minutes due to a poor piece of branching intel in E7 this event, according to your logic I probably should have killed the provider of said intel. But I didn't, nobody did. Instead I punched 6 keys out of my keyboard, found them, put them back, regained the buckets in one day, and tried again with a better piece of intel, and now Ark is standing beside me as my secretary ship. That's how the game works.

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    • I agree with Ar-cen-ciel here. In addition, so what if the Kai ni isn't for Sara (which is highly unlikely)? It's not like the world is going to end because of that, and the effect of the missed speculation isn't going to be as bad as...let's say a faulty forecasting done by a company in regard to their stocks. In the end we just laugh it off and post a pic or two of Sara having a stroke over the fact she didn't receive her kai ni.

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    • it's not like end of world if we didn't get or get Sara K2.. you eat too MUCH SALT Cireng Jenderal..

      ps: and if you see the admins all getting less and less from time to time.. while the rest admins still doing their job without getting paid.. you should thank them to that you still can play kancolle and their event.. if you going to ban all admins because of their mistakes who will maintain the kc wikia and all other new info.. it's not like they all robot who didn't even make mistake.. ups.. even robot or AI make mistake.. so you should learn to thank rather than what ever you write at above post..

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    • There's already obvious evidence that it's Sara's K2. And I agree with TheXAir, you might get hypernatremia.

      It's not end of the world so please stop raging and blaming admins or anyone because it's not their fault for Sara's K2 to be pushed back for several months.

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    • Its like the weather reporter say today will rain and you brought umbrella out but in the end it never rain

      So based on your logic, the reporter should be fired and sentenced to death by burning him/her at the stake... But is the reporter at fault?



      Srsly its just that her kai ni come out later... why so desperate brah? O.o

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    • Okay let's all chill for a while....

      (Chnage topic)

      Seeing the 2 new planes.....what kind of planes are those? I don't have much knowledge on world war 2 history.

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    • hypernatremia ? Oh lol someone going off-topic. 

      Let me say this. Have you ever learn about history ? How many times we must see a mistake and community got a negative impact thanks to one person ? It has been repeated many times. And someone say it isnt going to be bad lol. Have you really learn about history ?

      Winter 2016 someone mistranslated Ooyodo board and caused uproar to many admiral include me the newbie admiral and veteran admiral.

      A certain event 2016 where someone create mistake where that person misunderstand one Tag and caused uproar too. Thanks to that many admiral cant clear Hard modo.

      And a recent past is someone said there will be a Saratoga K2. But instead NO! Since devs never mention about Saratoga and devs only implemented new CG. And caused drama.

      Obvious evidence isnt mean 100%. Please different it. There is a fine definition about it. Or should I give you a dictionary ? I have 3 here.

      That is why I decided to say like this. Even if you guys badmounthed me (GO AHEAD). So we wont see another mistake and caused uproar where many admiral got the negative impact. 

      But if you guys fine about then go for it. I wont say anything. But like I said. Who will take responsbility ? And do you guys want to see our community gone thanks to one person? Oh please dont remind me it will never happen. Since I seen many community go down thanks to one mistake which many people thought that mistake wont be a big uproar.

      I am fine if devs says 100% yes it is saratoga. But it isnt. Only hint. They have different meaning.

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    • Royal Sovereign (05) wrote:
      Seeing the 2 new planes.....what kind of planes are those? I don't have much knowledge on world war 2 history.
      They're Hellcats re-purposed as night fighters, simple as that.

      Historically Sara only had night fighters, since she never had night bombers abroad her (only Enterprise had night bombers afaik).

      We'll just have to wait until the event end to figure out what kind of mechanics the devs intend to implement for them.

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    • Hm...I'm not too well versed in WWII history...granted I've seen some documentaries here and there, but apparently Saratoga was refitted and assigned night fighter squadron. They created a separate Task Force to handle these kind of night operations, thus the devs created a separate category for these planes calling them night fighters. Interestingly enough, these fighters have ASW yet no bomber or torp stats, so makes me wonder how it will play after the update is out

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    • I feel like this event and lack of sleep is making people stress out... jeez i just personally learn to shut my self in a hole till i'm in a better mood for the public.

      Misinformation is pretty common afterall... just check all news and weather sites. then we have our president...

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    • And blaming admins ? It is a true fact actually.

      One admins gave a new directions and knowledge but got banned thanks to his one mistake. lol 

      And yet another admins created many mistakes and yet never got banned. 

      Is it a fact ?

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    • /sigh

      How about we wait?

      It's not like 9/11 is tomorrow.

      Just farm more or something, or help convince Hoppou to let me pass 3-5 north because south just won't let me.

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    • I wonder what kind of quest line will the devs have us do...I hope we don't have to go to 6-3.


      @Tennousu

      I think the south route became a lot more viable for me after I got some decent seaplane tenders. I just go with 2 AVs, 2 CL (Abu and Yura), and 2 DD. Though I did get a Hayasui this event...so I might test her out tomorrow when I tackle 3-5

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    • Jenderal313 wrote:

      And blaming admins ? It is a true fact actually.

      One admins gave a new directions and knowledge but got banned thanks to his one mistake. lol 

      And yet another admins created many mistakes and yet never got banned. 

      Is it a fact ?
      I don't recall any admin except Gensui Hime ever being banned from this Wikia. Tsubakura was not an admin when he was (temporarily) banned by Fujihita and is now unbanned. Shinhwalee did some mistakes on occasion, but she is the most active admin in this Wikia right now, which I'd say more than make up for her misdeeds.
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    • Jenderal313 wrote:
      And blaming admins ? It is a true fact actually.

      One admins gave a new directions and knowledge but got banned thanks to his one mistake. lol 

      And yet another admins created many mistakes and yet never got banned. 

      Is it a fact ?

      Sigh... If you are so good and professional to help out the community without payments and make sure have not even a single tiny mistake(including grammer mistakes) then go ahead and do it

      If not just suck it up and stop whining for fk sake cus it aint helping anybody and it just makes the admins less motivated to do anything and you are not even contributing anything

      Srsly whats with the anger towards admins...

      Damn perfectionist

      @Aslatiels

      I havent S rank that damn place before XD If quest requirements is S rank then I am screwed

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    • Meh, do you have to use that ear-splitting cruiser? -__-

      Anyway nevermind. Hoppou missed her shelling and managed to clear 3-5's two remaining kills with just one bucketactually four buckets lol, I repaired scratch damages.

      ---

      Even if I'm on the side of 'not mentioning the ship name in the title until it's confirmed although it's rather obvious already', I try not to make a big deal about it.

      Please cease this or higher ups will come and drop something worse than Thor's Mjolnir.

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    • Jenderal313 wrote:
      And blaming admins ? It is a true fact actually.

      One admins gave a new directions and knowledge but got banned thanks to his one mistake. lol 

      And yet another admins created many mistakes and yet never got banned. 

      Is it a fact ?

      Long story short, don't complain about the admins doing what they can into contributing unless you yourself made zero mistakes. Honestly it's like kicking a tree just because you ran into it. It's pointless and stupid.

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    • HAMMER DOWN! Oh wait wrong character...

      In regard to the ear splitting cruiser...I usually play with the game muted on my phone (though I do turn the voice on from time to time to listen to my waifu and daughter...makes me feel fuzzy on the inside :3) But there's that one time I forgot to turn it back off and my god...urk

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    • Jenderal313 wrote:
      hypernatremia ? Oh lol someone going off-topic. Let me say this. Have you ever learn about history ? How many times we must see a mistake and community got a negative impact thanks to one person ? It has been repeated many times. And someone say it isnt going to be bad lol. Have you really learn about history ?

      Winter 2016 someone mistranslated Ooyodo board and caused uproar to many admiral include me the newbie admiral and veteran admiral.

      A certain event 2016 where someone create mistake where that person misunderstand one Tag and caused uproar too. Thanks to that many admiral cant clear Hard modo.

      And a recent past is someone said there will be a Saratoga K2. But instead NO! Since devs never mention about Saratoga and devs only implemented new CG. And caused drama.

      Obvious evidence isnt mean 100%. Please different it. There is a fine definition about it. Or should I give you a dictionary ? I have 3 here.

      That is why I decided to say like this. Even if you guys badmounthed me (GO AHEAD). So we wont see another mistake and caused uproar where many admiral got the negative impact. 

      But if you guys fine about then go for it. I wont say anything. But like I said. Who will take responsbility ? And do you guys want to see our community gone thanks to one person? Oh please dont remind me it will never happen. Since I seen many community go down thanks to one mistake which many people thought that mistake wont be a big uproar.

      I am fine if devs says 100% yes it is saratoga. But it isnt. Only hint. They have different meaning.

      Quit shitting about false intels, we all experienced far more than you did, and it will continue to come. I told you, false and vague intel is part of this game, if you want 100% guarrentee, leave. You won't find any of them here.

      There will be Saratoga K2 in or directly after summer, there is no such "no", she simply arrives 1.5 months later.

      "How many times we must see a mistake and community got a negative impact thanks to one person?" Indefinite. It won't end. Just like the USN can't stop making up non-existant Japanese ships like Chichibu(*1), Kadekuru(*2) and Ryuukaku(*3), false intels will continue to show up as long as the nature of dev announcements don't change.

      We WILL see another and another such so-called "mistake", and many admiral WILL get the negative impact, because Tanaka and his devs decided so. They decided no to release 100% sure intels, and we decided to take forecasts no matter what. If what you want is "Sara will get her K2 in DD/MM/YYYY, and there will be no mistake including false intel, cancelled plan and accidents", you won't get it here, not on this wikia, not anywhere else, not anywhere as long as you are playing KC.


      • 1: Non-existant Japanese super cruiser plan, this false intel caused the USN to build the Alaska-class large cruiser to counter it.
      • 2: Non-existant Japanese pocket battleship seen in FM30-58, caused by mixing up the pronunciation of Shoukaku. She even has three sister ships, namely "Hachijo"(actually a PF) and "Kasino"(probably Kashima), the name of the 4th ship was "unknown".
      • 3: Non-existant "third ship" of Shoukaku-class, said to be sunk in the Battle of the Coral Sea according to supposedly trustworthy sources like Jane's during the war. The most likely cause was US intel mixing up Ryujo (sunk later in August, edited) and the cranes' names. The actual ship sunk in Coral was Shouhou.
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    • Time for a 40K quote:

      "Hope is the first step on the road to dissapointment"

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    • The Body Robber wrote:
      Time for a 40K quote:

      "Hope is the first step on the road to dissapointment"

      Isador... you traitor...

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    • Not to be that guy but Shinwalee is pretty notorious for making lots of mistake and make some incredible ridiculous assumption but for most, she don't ever source her stuff which make it really hard to verify information for some admins. There is a reason why some people accusing Shin for lying and honestly, i can't disagree with them on that. Of course she have some good points too, updating the page (Altho sometimes way to much bait without actually checking up if things is true or not), her event guide, granted that thing is slightly outdated but still work to some extend and her streaming to give you a general idea. However, she have her position to consider, if she is writing one thing wrong, 90% is bound to belive she is right and that can cause some issues. If she do some wrong on her blog, that is honestly fine, that is her blog and personal belonging but she is doing something wrong like... putting incorrect information on event page or give false hope on updating page. That is not only going cause issues for her but also for other admins.

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    • Aslatiels wrote:
      Hm...I'm not too well versed in WWII history...granted I've seen some documentaries here and there, but apparently Saratoga was refitted and assigned night fighter squadron. They created a separate Task Force to handle these kind of night operations, thus the devs created a separate category for these planes calling them night fighters. Interestingly enough, these fighters have ASW yet no bomber or torp stats, so makes me wonder how it will play after the update is out

      inb4 they change the stats of the asw to bomber in the update on 9/11 making way to more 9/11 memes.

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    • And still no Kai ni for Tenryuu....im slightly rattled.

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    • It's funny that people can still doubt Sara getting a Kai 2 despite the Comptiq interview from before the event.

      https://pastebin.com/ydChLWyJ

      1. I: I get that a lot nowadays. Don't worry 'bout it. Fumizuki Kai Ni is finally here, but how are preparations for other Kai Ni going?
      2. T: Yes, next in line is finally a certain powerful foreign fleet carrier, with her Kai Ni on standby. She's already quite powerful in terms of combat strength. We're also preparing even more Kai Ni remodels for the latter half of this year. We're looking forward to it on our end as well!
      3. I: The fifth year sure is going full force with Kai Ni remodels. I'm glad! Although come to think of it, it's already the fifth year... meaning next spring will be the fifth anniversary, huh.

       This interview was carried out on July 31st, and referred to a carrier that was already in the game. The only foreign carrier that can be consisered powerful in the game is Sara herself and she's the only foreign CV for which the devs have used the term 大型正規空母 to describe, which Tanaka himself uses in the interview. Not to mention another remodel for Sara was already confirmed since December, we just didn't know when until now. https://pastebin.com/aw5NpGJe 

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    • 47.142.62.21 wrote:
      It's funny that people can still doubt Sara getting a Kai 2 despite the Comptiq interview from before the event.

      https://pastebin.com/ydChLWyJ

      1. I: I get that a lot nowadays. Don't worry 'bout it. Fumizuki Kai Ni is finally here, but how are preparations for other Kai Ni going?
      2. T: Yes, next in line is finally a certain powerful foreign fleet carrier, with her Kai Ni on standby. She's already quite powerful in terms of combat strength. We're also preparing even more Kai Ni remodels for the latter half of this year. We're looking forward to it on our end as well!
      3. I: The fifth year sure is going full force with Kai Ni remodels. I'm glad! Although come to think of it, it's already the fifth year... meaning next spring will be the fifth anniversary, huh.

      This interview was carried out on July 31st, and referred to a carrier that was already in the game. The only foreign carrier that can be consisered powerful in the game is Sara herself and she's the only foreign CV for which the devs have used the term 大型正規空母 to describe, which Tanaka himself uses in the interview. Not to mention another remodel for Sara was already confirmed since December, we just didn't know when until now. https://pastebin.com/aw5NpGJe

      Oh yeah, good point, I forgot to mention that most hints about Sara K2 was here before Ark even existed.

      I guess they are simply paranoid, insisting on something we don't know, or don't care, which causes them to constantly deny that it's Sara.

      I personally consider myself a very careful person when it comes to these hints, I'm one of the last people to confirm that it's Ark and not Illustrious coming this event in a certain forum in my country (and I got badmouthed just for that), and probably the only one that insists Luigi being equally possible as Cappellini (and I was right this time), yet even I am confident that Saratoga K2 will come in 11 Sep, no one else.

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    • I'd also like to point out the anniversary interview in Comptiq.

      https://pastebin.com/xZsC7w2Y

      1. We got fresh updates on this year's Kai Ni remodels!
      2. I: Speaking of fast, the kai ni remodels sure are coming in fast this year!
      3. T: Continuing off the first Nagato-class battleship Nagato's Kai Ni, which we've had lined up for a while, the update next maintenance will include both the aircraft cruiser Kumano Kai Ni and the further remodeled Suzuya Kai-class carrier Kumano Carrier Kai Ni. And we're also preparing for light cruiser Yura Kai Ni and another remodel for a fleet carrier during midsummer.
      4. I: How industrious! Looking forward to it!
      5. T: This is a little less exciting, but we also plan to focus on improving the UI this year, and updates are coming bit by bit. Next update won't be flashy, but the work continues.

       This is where the whole idea of Sara getting her Kai 2 in July even came from. Back then they hadn't confirmed that it would be a foreign large CV that would be getting a Kai 2, only that it was a large CV again using 大型正規空母 which the translator has a habit of translating as fleet carrier so you wouldn't notice it without the original. The fact that it was going to be added in midsummer meant that the window for it to happen was sometime in July or August. Now we know it ended up being put on standby until after the event. But the fact remains that the remodel was planned for an already existing CV at the time, and this interview was published in June while it took place in late May. Was it bad to assume it was going to happen in July when they hadn't given any more hints? Sure. Is that a good enough reason to say that it's Ark, a new CV that didn't even get announced until a month later? No, it is not.

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    • 47.142.62.21 wrote:
      I'd also like to point out the anniversary interview in Comptiq.

      https://pastebin.com/xZsC7w2Y

      Shit, disregard the part about it being the anniversary interview, the anniversary interview was from the June issue not July. The link is still relevant however.

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    • Hum.... i'll dare stumble on this hornets' nest and post this :

      F6F-3N 254 Card

      New americans' night fighters incoming

      F6F-5N 255 Card

      ChibiSara teaching ChibiArk <3










      Soooo... Saratoga getting the kai ni is VERY likelyif not certain.

      And anyway, why can't we just all rejoice that one of our girl will get a Kai Ni ? Whoever it is ?

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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      RandomHitagi wrote: Inb4 Ark
      Dude, the night version of Hellcats was out yesterday for the upcoming Kai Ni. Ark Royal had never operated any Hellcats and her chest aren't big enough.And just so people know about the displacement for foreign CVs:

      Ark Royal : 22,000 long tons (22,000 t) - 27,720 long tons (28,160 t)
      Aquila : 23,500 long tons (23,900 t) - 27,800 long tons (28,200 t)
      Graf Zeppelin : 33,550 long tons (34,088.4 t) - (deep load untested)
      Saratoga : 36,000 long tons (37,000 t) - 43,055 long tons (43,746 t)

      Ark Royal is actually the lightest of all the foreign aircraft carriers we have in our service (yes, even Aquila outweighs her in displacement, nevermind Graf and Saratoga).

      The data you have for Graf is actually at full load :) Standard displacement was some 5,000t lower.

      Non-light carrier = large carrier, unless you can prove otherwise. I've never seen any real division between standard, light and large carriers tbh. The only division I've seen were fleet and non-fleet carriers, depending on their ability to operate as part of a larger force - speed. 

      Sources:

      Japanese Destroyer Captain, Tameichi Hara, mentions Japan having 4 carriers after Midway, with two of them hardly able to be called fleet carriers due to their speed.

      Santa Cruz, Eric Hammels, mentions the same, with the same conclusion.

      Division into light, large or standard carriers is subjective, if not imaginary.

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:

      People just in denial cause they don't have Saratoga yet 

      American Lol
      Capture2asdew
      You are right, I don't. Guess it's just Kaga cosplaying.
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    • RandomHitagi wrote:

      Non-light carrier = large carrier, unless you can prove otherwise. I've never seen any real division between standard, light and large carriers tbh. The only division I've seen were fleet and non-fleet carriers, depending on their ability to operate as part of a larger force - speed. 

      Sources:

      Japanese Destroyer Captain, Tameichi Hara, mentions Japan having 4 carriers after Midway, with two of them hardly able to be called fleet carriers due to their speed.

      Santa Cruz, Eric Hammels, mentions the same, with the same conclusion.

      Division into light, large or standard carriers is subjective, if not imaginary.

      If I'm not mistaken, there was a historic use of "large" carrier in the Midway-class when it had the CVB designator. Eventually it just became known as a CV like any other carrier before CVNs appeared.

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    • Kenzo40 wrote:
      And anyway, why can't we just all rejoice that one of our girl will get a Kai Ni ? Whoever it is ?

      /thinking so hard

      No. I can't. I just can't.

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    • Kenzo40 wrote:
      Hum.... i'll dare stumble on this hornets' nest and post this :
      F6F-3N 254 Card

      New americans' night fighters incoming

      F6F-5N 255 Card

      ChibiSara teaching ChibiArk <3










      Soooo... Saratoga getting the kai ni is VERY likelyif not certain.

      And anyway, why can't we just all rejoice that one of our girl will get a Kai Ni ? Whoever it is ?

      From my view, people's worst fear right now is that Saratoga might not be released to the general gameplay content (LSC or Drop (permanent or limited)) during the update, so some are pretty much in denial due to this fear.  Basically some don't want to see other people enjoy the glory of having the first USN ship getting its Kai Ni while themselves have to deal with the salt due to not having Saratoga and the uneasiness of whether she will become available on the next update.

      Some people outright don't really pay attention to all the past hints given (which is understandable as they don't really gather or go after recently released news/info like myself, Totaku, and some others), and/or don't really know what the ships of this game are categorized or were nicknamed before release (due to not reading the tweets by the Devs, interviews, but most importantly some just outright don't know how to read Japanese). 

      There are also people who aren't familiar to how Devs have been doing things for years with their hint giveaways, information release, and the content release (like the discussion above, of how Kai Ni has been given out to ships in the past years), as Vcharng mentioned above, where this game has all been about baits, speculations, delays, long-promises (Ex. Shinano, Matsu-class, Type B and D Destroyers, and technically Saratoga's Kai Ni was first slated for "Main Summer" in previous interviews and live events (Zuiun Matsuri), which would normally be centered around July/August, not September), where until the actual update, any info on the content beforehand are all hints that can point to many things at first (When the hint was first given, it was just outright "Large-scale Carrier", so at that point Akagi and Kaga were part of the possible candidates as well because "Foreign" was not mentioned at the time). 

      So basically, there are those who just don't really know what's going on with this game, and/or some who outright aren't exactly fond of Saratoga getting Kai Ni (reasonings being, they don't have her, or think other Foreign Carriers who came before her deserves it more)

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    • RandomHitagi wrote:

      The data you have for Graf is actually at full load :) Standard displacement was some 5,000t lower.

      Non-light carrier = large carrier, unless you can prove otherwise. I've never seen any real division between standard, light and large carriers tbh. The only division I've seen were fleet and non-fleet carriers, depending on their ability to operate as part of a larger force - speed. 

      Yes, I can.

      Non-light carrier = Fleet carrier, attack carrier, or in this wiki, "Standard" carrier. And then within those fleet carriers, there are Large carriers (Cranes, Akagi, Kaga) and medium carriers (Hiryu, Soryu, Unryu-class). Usually between Japanese military fans, only Essex-class and larger are considered "large"(or, in Japan, Akagi, Kaga and Taihou and Shinano), but KC has a lower standard for that, and Lexington- and Shokaku-class are included as well.

      Your classification method will have three problems, the American Independence-class, the British Colossus-class, and the Japanese Chitose-class, all fast enough to operate as part of a larger force, but none of them are fleet carriers.

      Your definition is actually the way to tell an escort carrier from a light carrier in the USN: those who can reach 26 knots (the standard speed to launch aircraft in USN doctrine) are light, those who cannot are escort.

      The classification of medium vs. large carrier is more significant to the Japanese than to the others. The Soryu-series (i.e. all the way to Unryu-class and the blueprint-only G18 design) are considered a more budget-friendly technological branch of smaller but cheaper carriers; the Shokaku-series (i.e. that and Taiho, plus the G14/G15 projects), on the other hand, are considered the real main force of the navy's mobile aviation force. (and we are excluding those converted carriers like Akagi, Kaga and Shinano here). So for the Japanese, a carrier the size/capacity of Soryu will be a medium carrier, and one with that of Shokaku or larger will be a large carrier.

      Now if we compare the British, American, German and Italian carriers with the IJN standard, only the Lextington-class, Essex-class and Midway-class would count. Graf is large enough in terms of displacement, but not in terms of aircraft capacity (for a non-armored carrier), and the Royal Navy don't even have one "large" carrier (unless you count in the blueprint-only Malta-class or the bloody iceburg known as Project Habakkuk).

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    • Vcharng wrote:
      RandomHitagi wrote:

      The data you have for Graf is actually at full load :) Standard displacement was some 5,000t lower.

      Non-light carrier = large carrier, unless you can prove otherwise. I've never seen any real division between standard, light and large carriers tbh. The only division I've seen were fleet and non-fleet carriers, depending on their ability to operate as part of a larger force - speed. 

      Yes, I can.

      Non-light carrier = Fleet carrier, attack carrier, or in this wiki, "Standard" carrier. And then within those fleet carriers, there are Large carriers (Cranes, Akagi, Kaga) and medium carriers (Hiryu, Soryu, Unryu-class). Usually between Japanese military fans, only Essex-class and larger are considered "large"(or, in Japan, Akagi, Kaga and Taihou and Shinano), but KC has a lower standard for that, and Lexington- and Shokaku-class are included as well.

      Your classification method will have three problems, the American Independence-class, the British Colossus-class, and the Japanese Chitose-class, all fast enough to operate as part of a larger force, but none of them are fleet carriers.

      Your definition is actually the way to tell an escort carrier from a light carrier in the USN: those who can reach 26 knots (the standard speed to launch aircraft in USN doctrine) are light, those who cannot are escort.

      The classification of medium vs. large carrier is more significant to the Japanese than to the others. The Soryu-series (i.e. all the way to Unryu-class and the blueprint-only G18 design) are considered a more budget-friendly technological branch of smaller but cheaper carriers; the Shokaku-series (i.e. that and Taiho, plus the G14/G15 projects), on the other hand, are considered the real main force of the navy's mobile aviation force. (and we are excluding those converted carriers like Akagi, Kaga and Shinano here). So for the Japanese, a carrier the size/capacity of Soryu will be a medium carrier, and one with that of Shokaku or larger will be a large carrier.

      Now if we compare the British, American, German and Italian carriers with the IJN standard, only the Lextington-class, Essex-class and Midway-class would count. Graf is large enough in terms of displacement, but not in terms of aircraft capacity (for a non-armored carrier), and the Royal Navy don't even have one "large" carrier (unless you count in the blueprint-only Malta-class or the bloody iceburg known as Project Habakkuk).

      This is still very subjective, you've only given one solid number. If anything it says that these divisions are, indeed, subjective and not set in stone, depending on the navy, historian, circle etc. If you have any source for KC classification, I'd be glad to see it. But, a nice read nevertheless, thanks!

      Chitose, Zuihou etc. cannot be considered fleet carriers because their complements are simply too small to be, realistically, useful, in any other way than supporting larger carriers.. Neither Hara nor Hammels describe them as such, and actually disregard them when citing force ratio, Parshall and Tully are also rather indifferent towards them iirc.

      As for Graf's aircraft capacity, the figures you see in the book and interwebz are flawed. They don't take Germany's lack of any real doctrine into account. Graf's complement was supposed to be ~42 aircraft, however, her hangars were as big as Shoukaku's. This stems from Germany's lack of naval aviation doctrine, expertise and technology. As Bf109 had to be kept as light as possible, they couldn't have been given folding wings. To fight that (for whatever reason), Germans decided to have removable wings which would be stored in the lower hangar, separately from the fuselages. 

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    • Graf is crippled simply from only being able a strike every 50 minutes. Of 18 planes at most.

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    • SSTHZero wrote:
      Maybe the catapult is for Ark Royal...

      The catapult could just be for spare cranes.  That said if Ark was going to get a K2 this year she would have come with it already.

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    • RandomHitagi wrote:
      Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      RandomHitagi wrote: Inb4 Ark
      Dude, the night version of Hellcats was out yesterday for the upcoming Kai Ni. Ark Royal had never operated any Hellcats and her chest aren't big enough.And just so people know about the displacement for foreign CVs:

      Ark Royal : 22,000 long tons (22,000 t) - 27,720 long tons (28,160 t)
      Aquila : 23,500 long tons (23,900 t) - 27,800 long tons (28,200 t)
      Graf Zeppelin : 33,550 long tons (34,088.4 t) - (deep load untested)
      Saratoga : 36,000 long tons (37,000 t) - 43,055 long tons (43,746 t)

      Ark Royal is actually the lightest of all the foreign aircraft carriers we have in our service (yes, even Aquila outweighs her in displacement, nevermind Graf and Saratoga).

      The data you have for Graf is actually at full load :) Standard displacement was some 5,000t lower.

      Non-light carrier = large carrier, unless you can prove otherwise. I've never seen any real division between standard, light and large carriers tbh. The only division I've seen were fleet and non-fleet carriers, depending on their ability to operate as part of a larger force - speed. 

      Sources:

      Japanese Destroyer Captain, Tameichi Hara, mentions Japan having 4 carriers after Midway, with two of them hardly able to be called fleet carriers due to their speed.

      Santa Cruz, Eric Hammels, mentions the same, with the same conclusion.

      Division into light, large or standard carriers is subjective, if not imaginary.

      Everyone seems to forget that only two carriers have been referred to as large carriers in-game or by the staff themselves.  Kaga and Saratoga.  And Kaga is not foreign/overseas any way you slice it not to mention already has her niche.

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    • Honestly speaking I am tired of people claiming Aquila/Graf/Ark Royal to be Large-scaled Carriers when they are fucking not and was never called such by the Devs. Seen enough.

      Wagahai facepalm
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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      Honestly speaking I am tired of people claiming Aquila/Graf/Ark Royal to be Large-scaled Carriers when they are fucking not and was never called such by the Devs. Seen enough.
      Wagahai facepalm

      You're not helping with that high and mighty attitude of yours.

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    • 47.142.62.21 wrote:You're not helping with that high and mighty attitude of yours.

      "high and mighty" what

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    • 47.142.62.21 wrote:
      Shinhwalee wrote:
      Honestly speaking I am tired of people claiming Aquila/Graf/Ark Royal to be Large-scaled Carriers when they are fucking not and was never called such by the Devs. Seen enough.
      Wagahai facepalm
      You're not helping with that high and mighty attitude of yours.

      I'd say pissed off rather than high and mighty. The latter is when you act all arrogant and know it all. And it's already obvious Sara's the one so the debate on who's getting the K2.....is pointless.

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    • RandomHitagi wrote:

      This is still very subjective, you've only given one solid number. If anything it says that these divisions are, indeed, subjective and not set in stone, depending on the navy, historian, circle etc. If you have any source for KC classification, I'd be glad to see it. But, a nice read nevertheless, thanks!

      Chitose, Zuihou etc. cannot be considered fleet carriers because their complements are simply too small to be, realistically, useful, in any other way than supporting larger carriers.. Neither Hara nor Hammels describe them as such, and actually disregard them when citing force ratio, Parshall and Tully are also rather indifferent towards them iirc.

      As for Graf's aircraft capacity, the figures you see in the book and interwebz are flawed. They don't take Germany's lack of any real doctrine into account. Graf's complement was supposed to be ~42 aircraft, however, her hangars were as big as Shoukaku's. This stems from Germany's lack of naval aviation doctrine, expertise and technology. As Bf109 had to be kept as light as possible, they couldn't have been given folding wings. To fight that (for whatever reason), Germans decided to have removable wings which would be stored in the lower hangar, separately from the fuselages. 

      I have the blueprint of Graf's hangars (scanned version, of course) in my hands. Her Hangar was, at most, 4630 sq. meters (*1), Shokaku's was 5550. There are sorces claiming a 5200+ sq. m hangar, but it doesn't seem true when compared with the blueprints. I think the 5200+ calculation came from forgetting to deduct the elevator areas (approximately 15x15 meters, there are two elevators, and two decks, so there are four areas in total), you can't store aircrafts in those areas.

      It's important to discuss hangar areas, but it is also important how it is calculated. I saw a record on Japanese KC wiki that Saratoga's hangar has around 2000 sq. m area, smaller than Illustrious due to only the area between the two elevators are being used. Still, I doubt anyone would question that she is a large carrier.

      And let me remind you, Zeroes (*2), Type 99s, and Suiseis all don't have folding wings as well. Shokaku can carry 72 planes when 2/3 of them are not foldable, while the German can only carry 43 when only 23% (10 of 43) of those are not foldable(*3). On the other side, Yorktown (a medium carrier, let me remind you again) can carry 90 while half of her planes (SBD) are not foldable.

      And here's the conclusion: no matter the excuses, Graf, will, not, be, a large carrier, no matter what.


      • calculated by the length of hangar times the width, assuming it's a rectangle, while it isn't. The actual hangar area will be smaller.

      *2 Zero type 21 are foldable only on the wingtips, which allows them to be fitted through the elevators, it doesn't actually save space. Type 32/33 are not foldable, and Type 52/53 simply chopped the folding part off.

      *3 Both Ju87C and Fi-167 are foldable, Ju87C is even more foldable than the few foldable Japanese planes.

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    • BTW, today's twitter news:

      Dev Announcement Implies More of Saratoga's Planes

      The twitter post on 2 September have indicated that a number of new carrier aircrafts will be introduced "with the K2 remodel of a certain overseas large carrer", which is thought to be USS Saratoga. While it is not clear how, or if, these new aircraft(s) will be related to Saratoga's K2, the terms "introduced with" seems promising.

      The Twitter reads:

      同メンテではある海外大型正規空母【改二】改装、及びそれに伴う新艦載機装備も実装予定です。

      (The maintenance will introduce a K2 remodel for a certain overseas large fleet carrier, as well as new carrier aircrafts with her.)

      It's actually quite difficult to convey the meaning of それに伴う into English, it may simply mean introduced with Sara K2, but in more cases it means that the plane(s) is sort of related, or belonging to, Saratoga's K2.

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    • Ffs this thread really annoying and pissed off somehow (claiming anybody else not related to the hint to receive Kai ni in the next update). And for Shin, I don't know whether you too hype or a big fan of Saratoga please don't just directly to-the-point mention the name of the kanmusu, because devs never mention the name who join the Kai Ni family. Devs hints was too ambiguous.

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    • 111.94.166.150 wrote:
      Ffs this thread really annoying and pissed off somehow (claiming anybody else not related to the hint to receive Kai ni in the next update). And for Shin, I don't know whether you too hype or a big fan of Saratoga please don't just directly to-the-point mention the name of the kanmusu, because devs never mention the name who join the Kai Ni family. Devs hints was too ambiguous.

      Please look above at the interviews I posted.

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    • 111.94.166.150 wrote:
      Ffs this thread really annoying and pissed off somehow (claiming anybody else not related to the hint to receive Kai ni in the next update). And for Shin, I don't know whether you too hype or a big fan of Saratoga please don't just directly to-the-point mention the name of the kanmusu, because devs never mention the name who join the Kai Ni family. Devs hints was too ambiguous.

      The devs never mention actual names until the maintenance starts. This didn't stop us from knowing Suzuya, Kumano and Fumizuki's K2, and it won't stop us from knowing Sara's.

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    • Now that I think about it, what the heck happened to that 2nd Battleship Kai Ni that was mentioned way back during Nagato's Kai Ni announcement...?

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      Now that I think about it, what the heck happened to that 2nd Battleship Kai Ni that was mentioned way back during Nagato's Kai Ni announcement...?

      They never said when it would happen and only mentioned it in passing during a tweet.

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      Now that I think about it, what the heck happened to that 2nd Battleship Kai Ni that was mentioned way back during Nagato's Kai Ni announcement...?

      Delayed just like Yamato K2 (mentioned in 2013 interview), Scharnhorst (mentioned in Bismarck's quotes) and Shinano (mentioned in twitter post October 2013)

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    • The salt with Saratoga is so strong that people started questioning the vague but unambiguous hints about Saratoga getting Kai Ni... GJ Tanaka.

      Make kancolle great again
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    • Vcharng wrote:
      BTW, today's twitter news:

      Dev Announcement Implies More of Saratoga's Planes

      The twitter post on 2 September have indicated that a number of new carrier aircrafts will be introduced "with the K2 remodel of a certain overseas large carrer", which is thought to be USS Saratoga. While it is not clear how, or if, these new aircraft(s) will be related to Saratoga's K2, the terms "introduced with" seems promising.

      The Twitter reads:

      同メンテではある海外大型正規空母【改二】改装、及びそれに伴う新艦載機装備も実装予定です。

      (The maintenance will introduce a K2 remodel for a certain overseas large fleet carrier, as well as new carrier aircrafts with her.)

      It's actually quite difficult to convey the meaning of それに伴う into English, it may simply mean introduced with Sara K2, but in more cases it means that the plane(s) is sort of related, or belonging to, Saratoga's K2.

      That still leaves an avenue open for the inclusion of the TBF/TBM (and possibly the SB2C). Most likely scenario would be that she has as stock the two F6F green-icon variants plus the F4U (or one F6F and one F4U) and we get the yasen F6F via quests and Akashi, plus TBF/TBM if possible.

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    • Shinhwalee wrote: Now that I think about it, what the heck happened to that 2nd Battleship Kai Ni that was mentioned way back during Nagato's Kai Ni announcement...?

      Oh God! They just abandoned the BB kai ni the fck?? O_o

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    • Shinhwalee wrote:
      Now that I think about it, what the heck happened to that 2nd Battleship Kai Ni that was mentioned way back during Nagato's Kai Ni announcement...?

      Guess we're getting one for the price of two.

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    • I think everyone know that it will be Saratoga who will receive her Kai Ni. It´s just that they don´t want to see her in excercise or in map guides recommend using her when they don´t have her so they live in denial. I used to be like that when my friend kept showing me his HQ with Saratoga as secretary. But now i am placing my hope on a possibility someone posted here, that she will show up in LSC with Nagato or Sakawa as secretary. Unrelated but i do hope for the next BB Kai Ni is Ise. She is too good to be ignored for so long.
      Make kancolle great again
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    • Artutia wrote:
      Unrelated but i do hope for the next BB Kai Ni is Ise. She is too good to be ignored for so long.

      She received mini buffs, tho', along with her sister.

      That's kind of enough to make her stay relevant for some content.

      (Then again, Nagato got a small buff and here she is, Kai Ni withvoicesodeepshebecomesedgy).

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    • "SHOTS FIRED"

      Trigger sara
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    • well i expect her to get shock because she mentioned it was more better than her :D

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    • I fully expect Sara Mk.II to have the best HP/Armor/Firepower and plane-slots of all CVs, as well as CVB jet-launching and attack-at-chuuha capability, AND maybe some new night-fighting mechanic....all in exchange for something like a 150/140 resupply cost and even lower Evasion.

      I will still use her more than any other carrier.

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    • I expect her to have 9000FP, 9000 Armor and 3HP because why not?

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    • Well in that case, it's true who needs HP if you blow up everything before it reaches you.

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    • That Halo Teitoku wrote:

      I fully expect Sara Mk.II to have the best HP/Armor/Firepower and plane-slots of all CVs, as well as CVB jet-launching and attack-at-chuuha capability, AND maybe some new night-fighting mechanic....all in exchange for something like a 150/140 resupply cost and even lower Evasion.

      I will still use her more than any other carrier.
      So you're expecting Midway-tier CV specs on Sara Mk.2?Noshiro-emoticon
      • Highest HP? Check.
      • Highest FP? Probably close to Hiryuu's.
      • Highest Armor? She already is.
      • Highest Plane slot? Probably a few planes short from Kaga's.
      • Jet-launching? Depends on whether devs decides her flight deck is durable enough for it.
      • Attack-at chuuha? Not likely, her flight deck was never reinforced to that extent.
      • Night air battle: Already given.
      • Night bombing: afaik only Enterprise had really performed night bombing.

      inb4 her remodels requires offering Zeroes and Reppuu to Northern PrincessNorthern Princess V...

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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:
      That Halo Teitoku wrote:
      I fully expect Sara Mk.II to have the best HP/Armor/Firepower and plane-slots of all CVs, as well as CVB jet-launching and attack-at-chuuha capability, AND maybe some new night-fighting mechanic....all in exchange for something like a 150/140 resupply cost and even lower Evasion. I will still use her more than any other carrier.
      So you're expecting Midway-tier CV specs on Sara Mk.2?

      Noshiro-emoticon

      • Highest HP? Check.
      • Highest FP? Probably close to Hiryuu's.
      • Highest Armor? She already is.
      • Highest Plane slot? Probably a few planes short from Kaga's.
      • Jet-launching? Depends on whether devs decides her flight deck is durable enough for it.
      • Attack-at chuuha? Not likely, her flight deck was never reinforced to that extent.
      • Night air battle: Already given.
      • Night bombing: afaik only Enterprise had really performed night bombing.

      inb4 her remodels requires offering Zeroes and Reppuu to Northern PrincessNorthern Princess V...

      Calling that Midway tier is a bit shortsighted; Essex class would already have most of that:

      The 2 CVs that were the most heavily damaged and still managed to survive were Franklin and Bunker Hill, both Essexes (so high HP), All Essex planes carried Air to Surface Rockets by the last year of the war (high FP; not terribly useful against most warships, but should be devastating against installations, especially big ones like Tiny Tims), the Essexes all routinely carried 100+ planes with Lex-2 holding the record at 110, they could perform jet launches without any upgrades as evidenced by Leyte and Philipine Sea, which were never modified beyond the classic Essex form, launching jet strikes using Banshees and Panthers over Korea (never mind the jets that could be used if actually given those later upgrades, none of which included an armored flight deck mind you), and many carried night fighters by the end of the war (don't know about night bombers though).  Best part though is that the Essexes used less fuel than Sara did, so they'd be cheaper to use too.  Compared to that, Midway, which takes all that and runs with it over the horizon, would just be laughably OP but equally laugably expensive.

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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:

      So you're expecting Midway-tier CV specs on Sara Mk.2? Noshiro-emoticon

      • Highest HP? Check.
      • Highest FP? Probably close to Hiryuu's.
      • Highest Armor? She already is.
      • Highest Plane slot? Probably a few planes short from Kaga's.
      • Jet-launching? Depends on whether devs decides her flight deck is durable enough for it.
      • Attack-at chuuha? Not likely, her flight deck was never reinforced to that extent.
      • Night air battle: Already given.
      • Night bombing: afaik only Enterprise had really performed night bombing.

      inb4 her remodels requires offering Zeroes and Reppuu to Northern PrincessNorthern Princess V...

      I think night bombing will be depending on radar bombers instead of who is carrying the planes.

      As far as I remember, Sara did have flight deck reinforcement on her 1945 remodel, but whether that counts as armored flight deck is another question.

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    • Vcharng wrote:
      I think night bombing will be depending on radar bombers instead of who is carrying the planes.
      So even Akagi and Shoukaku could theoretically perform night bombings in Kancolle if they got their hands on radar-equipped bombers?
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    • Ar-cen-ciel wrote:

      That Halo Teitoku wrote:

      I fully expect Sara Mk.II to have the best HP/Armor/Firepower and plane-slots of all CVs, as well as CVB jet-launching and attack-at-chuuha capability, AND maybe some new night-fighting mechanic....all in exchange for something like a 150/140 resupply cost and even lower Evasion.

      I will still use her more than any other carrier.
      So you're expecting Midway-tier CV specs on Sara Mk.2?Noshiro-emoticon
      • Highest HP? Check.
      • Highest FP? Probably close to Hiryuu's.
      • Highest Armor? She already is.
      • Highest Plane slot? Probably a few planes short from Kaga's.
      • Jet-launching? Depends on whether devs decides her flight deck is durable enough for it.
      • Attack-at chuuha? Not likely, her flight deck was never reinforced to that extent.
      • Night air battle: Already given.
      • Night bombing: afaik only Enterprise had really performed night bombing.

      inb4 her remodels requires offering Zeroes and Reppuu to Northern PrincessNorthern Princess V...

      I was just rolling with "a lot better than ZuiZui K2."

      But, in the event she requires a catapult to remodel, I would expect either CVB properties or night bombing as justification. I'm fuzzy on how useful night air-battle capability is by itself; it sounds like a useful skill, but also pretty niche given there aren't many boss-node enemies that actually launch planes at night (Wo-kais and CV Hime?).

      I wasn't exaggerating much about consumption though. The girl already eats