According to history, you have edited the page for Kasuga Maru to say she is the only ship that can do effective ASW at night without being part of combined fleet. However, after further invetigation, it is found that her capability of performing effective ASW attack is limited to certain situation which could also enable the night time ASW attack of other ships, and in other situation her ASW attack at night would only result in scratch damage just like any other ships capable of performing ASW attack that come with the nighttime attack capability. Could you please explain what you were trying to write in that edit?
Qunow wrote: According to history, you have edited the page for Kasuga Maru to say she is the only ship that can do effective ASW at night without being part of combined fleet. However, after further invetigation, it is found that her capability of performing effective ASW attack is limited to certain situation which could also enable the night time ASW attack of other ships, and in other situation her ASW attack at night would only result in scratch damage just like any other ships capable of performing ASW attack that come with the nighttime attack capability. Could you please explain what you were trying to write in that edit?
Keep in mind that I am not a first-hand source of information on these things (since unlike in say, Warframe, I cannot read Japanese), rather I'm going by info I find from mostly reliable sources (stoneflamez from reddit being one). Thus, I checked to see if there was info from other people about that, saw the evidence provided, and added it when I was comfortable in the veracity of the information.
If it was in error, then it was, and thus is freely available to be edited out by anyone who spots it. I did realize the error a couple of days ago, but at the time I was out of town for business and thus couldn't do anything about it.
Heya, thanks for your help in contributing to the wiki.
A heads up though, Echelon is **NOT** the best formation for evasion. In fact, its still worse than Line Abreast in this regard, so I advise to be careful of advising inaccurate tips, since content there is used by everyone.
Just was glancing around on the wiki and I happened to find myself here. Sorry to intrude.
I'm sorta working under the same assumption as well based off experiences. Been using it mainly to pass risky yasen nodes, line ahead for things I can kill. Combat page doesn't really address formation evasion bonuses in respect to shelling/torpedos and day/night battle. Is there newer data?
The closest thing we have which tells us the modifiers of each formation, is a data mine from KC Kai. Of course it can be argued that not everything might fit perfectly on the browser version, but there are some values which are accurate when compared.
There's also this, which are night battle test data for each formation. Considering how there's a strong indication in both of them that Echelon is always worse than Line Abreast, it's a strong case that Echelon simply cannot be the best recommendation.
And last, we have our own combat page formation modifiers which shows us an estimate amount of each formation. It's not sourced, so I cannot check the validity of it, but its there.
(This is pretty much a message to cut down on edit wars.)
In any case, I'm sure you have realized that people are inclined to keep the trivia information because like most people who read trivia, they're both interested in knowledge and inclined to have knowledge. Your argument which claims the instance of speculation is overruled by the evidence presented and the placement of the quote under "trivia" (despite the idea that trivia is made to hold little importance but that's beside the point). So instead, I believe we should reach an agreement on how to keep the information while preventing speculation from turning into purely fact. My proposal is that we remove the evidence altogether while emphasizing that the information presented is merely speculation.
Thanks for reading?
P.S. I haven't changed anything yet, so don't stalk the page too much
My take on the matter stems from my own experience as an Admin on the Warframe wikia, where people take the wiki pages very, very religiously to the point where anything said on a page is sometimes taken as the gospel truth. Hence, I make it my mission there to prevent misinformation by posting only confirmed information to the best of my ability. And this is in an english game where one can verify said facts by themselves. For a Japanese game like Kancolle where most of the info is presented by those knowledgeable enough in the mechanics and the language, the desire to treat the pages as the definitive truth is much, much higher, and therefore the type of information that is on the pages themselves must be met with scrutiny as to prevent people from getting stuff wrong.
This issue with Warspite has the same problem in that people see the trivia, and instead of looking at it as a link to a potentially interesting discussion, they treat it as gospel truth since they see that it's "officially" on the Trivia page - many people don't read it as "probably an archaic pronunciation", they look at it as "it is an archaic pronunciation" and thus assume it to be the truth. Look how despite the evidence already disproving the assertion that Warspite's pronunication is an archaic form, people still continue to spout it as if it was true. That is what I'm trying to nip in the bud here by keeping that probable assertion out of the Warspite page entirely.
I'm with SonyaUliana. Many will read that piece of trivia and may [want to] believe it as true. The few that actually click on the link will read a lengthly post praising the devs doing their homework on this "possibly archaic form" of the word, and may [choose to] ignore the fact-backed rebuttal/s below. And yes, to say Warspite's pronunciation of admiral is "probably" archaic is just plain incorrect.
All one has to do is refer to cited definition's dictionary's very own pronunciation key. That's Sheridan's Complete Dictionary of the English Language, page ii of "A Prosodial Grammar", under "Scheme of the vowels". There are two pronunciations of "y" in the key: y1 ("ly" as in "lovely") and y2 ("lye", pronounced the same as "lie"). Let's go to page 21, where the cited definition in question is. The pronunciation key reads "a1d-my1-ra1l". The "1" above the y is a bit hard to make out, but is easily compared/confirmed with the pronunciation of "admiralty" right below. So with that, what we have is a pronunciation that is indeed closer to our familiar "ad-mee/mii-ral", vs. Warspite's "ad-my/mai-ral".
Furthermore, we have the word "admire" on the same page. The "i" in the pronunciation key reads "i2" as in "fight", and, of course, Warspite's "ad-my-ral". The best theory I've heard is that, though Warspite's VA's English pronunciation may be good, she may not be an actual native speaker. It wouldn't be surprising for a non-native English speaker to not be familar with a word with a militaristic orgin like "admiral", and make the totally understandable, but incorrect etymological link to "admire", a word way more commonly used in everyday conversation. Thus, our "ad-my-ral / ad-mire-ral".
TL;DR I agree with SonyaUliana, having this as trivia would be spreading false information. God bless the Queen for pronunciation keys in 16th-century English dictionaries.
Why do you wrote "Submarine Princess does not benefit from the night battle evasion and damage reduction bonuses that other submarines have" on Submarine Princess's page? Is there any reason or evidence that make you believe it is the case?
I got it from a trusted source who had been playing the game far longer than I have, and I've heard others mention killing SS Princess in night battle. Though if the actual reason for the vulnerability is not what I mentioned but something I missed, feel free to edit the note.