I cleared Zara (5-3) and Kirishima (5-1) quest by using Vanguard formation. Kirishima quest took me 4 tries due random off route to the boss node.
Pretty sad that are your only two options, really. Maybe the map is just not that well designed if you need to either "be lucky" or "cheese". But then again, 5-3 can be BS too, even with the Spoon. Either way, devs could be a little more inventive when it comes to quest design, no?
...or you could use high (level 60+) level ships and/or ships that have amazing performance at Kai 2 (Poi, Ayanami, Verniy, Shimakaze...), and give them *good* equipment that would help them survive the trip.
5-3 is a pain because most of the preboss nodes are Yasen and that pretty much means rocket-tag.
I don't know about mitigating 5-5, as I have only tried that map a handful of times and only once did I manage to get to the boss and S-Rank it. Most times I got turned away before the boss and a few I got to the boss, but didn't sink the flagship. I figure that making use of higher level/more powerful ships that can hit hard and/or have stronger evasion will make things getter/easier...but I have to get to that point first.
Pretty sad that are your only two options, really. Maybe the map is just not that well designed if you need to either "be lucky" or "cheese". But then again, 5-3 can be BS too, even with the Spoon. Either way, devs could be a little more inventive when it comes to quest design, no?
5-3 is a pain because most of the preboss nodes are Yasen and that pretty much means rocket-tag.
I don't know about mitigating 5-5, as I have only tried that map a handful of times and only once did I manage to get to the boss and S-Rank it. Most times I got turned away before the boss and a few I got to the boss, but didn't sink the flagship. I figure that making use of higher level/more powerful ships that can hit hard and/or have stronger evasion will make things getter/easier...but I have to get to that point first.
for 5-5, high-level ships and good equipment are prerequisites, not optional. In fact, most ppl clear that with high-level BB+CVB fleets (or a CVL if the BB is slow); and even so, there is a high probability of taiha in the pre-boss nodes. And... there is a chance to off-route just after you clear the pre-boss node gauntlet. tl;dr: 5-5 has event-level saltiness.
I believe that is why the more challenging quests (B105!!!) point to 5-5; they already have a salty map, why not abuse it.
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I am inclined to believe you. I mean it did absolutely nothing for me in clearing B44 XD. Managed to do it though. No thanks to the Vanguard formation.
Yes, most of certain sortie quest can be done thanks to the vanguard formation which for some retarded reason the devs keeps keeping it as a "event-only" formation.
@Neoasis no matter how high level your ship is. 5-5 is no doubt the most cancerous map. Don't forget that your fleet will be restricted by composition and worse clearing it at S doesn't really help much.
@Neoasis: I figured as much regarding the gear and ships... and it's irritating that there is still a random chance for off-routing as well.
...actually, that is my biggest complaint on a lot of maps; the random routing - the fact that despite having a proper compisition you can still end up exactly where you don't want to go.
I am inclined to agree that the more challenging quests do point to 5-5; it's a pain-in-the-ass map and most of the rewards (at least as far as I can tell) are pretty good.
Was this announced, or did you read about this somewhere? In what way, was it nerfed?
Anyway, even if it was nerfed, it still seemed pretty effective for the abyssals. :D
Next thing you know, in future maps there'll be enemies in d**khead formation outside event, while we the slaves of RNG are still limited by event.
Quest B115 completed using 17th Destroyer Division members
Anyway, even if it was nerfed, it still seemed pretty effective for the abyssals. :D
There was an analysis on reddit.
basically, the evasion bonus was reduced across the board.
Legit missing vanguard for trolling 5-4 now. Got me to the boss node with 95% of the time a Perfect S. Just need one more crane urgh.