Board Thread:Game Updates/@comment-3502824-20170330044846/@comment-24356282-20170507121839

Vcharng wrote: Tsubakura wrote: So an update regarding the ship classification. The Kaiboukan has now been renamed from PF to DE.

The Kaiboukan were designed by the japanese to function as Destroyer Escorts in the first place, why the hell would we rename them now to PF instead? Also, I've never heard of a WW2 patrol boat being able to equip up to 3x 12cm naval guns.

Anyway, this decision is final, unless people can provide me a very good reason why we should use a different classification instead of DE, which makes the most logical sense in general. I thought we have listed a thousand reasons why DE is wrong and PF is right earlier in this thread?

Japanese DEs are Matsu-class, dude, although it was never officially called as such (DE is known as 2nd-grade DD in IJN terminology, Matsu is 1st-grade), Kaibokans serve as the same role as British Flower-class corvettes, which is PF in USN hull symbol. What's more, post-war Taiwanese Navy (Republic of China Navy) received some Kaiboukans, and they are known as PFs in their classification, like Kaiboukan #107 becoming PF-74 Chao-An in ROCN and others.

Your reason for DE was probably that single sentence in Wikipedia stating that Kaiboukan is similar to American DEs, but they are NOT. American DEs generally weigh 1200~1600 tons, that's 50~100% bigger than those Kaiboukans (700~860t), they have torpedoes, while Kaiboukans, by definition, don't.

Flower-class (Temptress-class in USN) corvettes have one 4-inch (approximately 10 cm) gun, why not three? because IJN ships tend to have heavier firepower than their USN/RN counterparts, as they don't have to take crew confortability into account (unlike USN/RN who have to sail for very long distances due to having lots of colonies, IJN don't have such a concern). For example, you can compare Myoko-class CA with York-class, that's ten 8-inch guns versus six.

Edit: A further clarification about Flower-class and Temptress-class.

Temptress-class corvettes are known as PG (patrol gunboat) in USN, but USN do have a symbol which states "frigate similar to commonwealth corvette", which is PF.

So, you have not seen a patrol boat having three 12cm guns, but how about a frigate or corvette? Now all the things make sense, look:

Kaiboukan is British Corvette (Flower-class), which is also American Frigate (PF), but Flower-class became known as PG in American service.

British Frigate is American Destroyer Escort (DE), which is also Japanese Matsu-class (I later found out that Japanese 2nd-grade DDs are much smaller than American DEs, leaving the best Japanese counterpart for American DEs to be Matsu-class. Japanese 2nd and 3rd-rate DDs should probably be classified as frigates instead.) This is a solid argument.