Board Thread:Wikia Discussion/@comment-26091666-20160719105741/@comment-25637142-20160721092943


 * MY COMMENT ON THIS OVERHAUL
 * First thing first, I did NOT propose that design to be put up for voting.
 * Second of all,

McDerp wrote:

It is an enlightening experience if you can get out of your comfort zone and try to comprehend the root of the problem.


 * You're the last person I want to hear that from! I asked you to complete 5-Why questionnaire and enlighten yourself of the root cause but you ignored the result, lashed out on the method when the outcome was not what you had been expecting.


 * CD "Skadi" - 07/07/2016
 * if you want less clicking AND scrolling
 * then make the page smaller


 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * exactly!
 * go ahead and review the culling process, seriously. That's what the 5 whys said, don't argue scientific methods.


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * It's bloody 0630


 * Re_nicky_008 - 07/07/2016
 * 5 whys are so stronk


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * I am not in the mood for academia doe
 * I am a man of action not words


 * MY COMMENT ON THE NEW/OLD LAYOUT
 * Internal error for McDerp's proposal atm. A lot of pages are dead but the event pages using current layout are still alive and kicking. I don't really need more reasons to support the current layout, do I? It is the only working candidate lmao.


 * CHAT LOG OF THE FIVE WHYS.
 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * I can recognize the complaints about how scrollery the patterns are and the information section. So let's go 5-whys on this
 * why are the information sections scrollery?


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * because this game is so complicated that we have to write up crap to compensate :V


 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * why do we write up crap to compensate?


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * Refer to my former statement before my latter explanation


 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * the game is so complicate is not a controllable factor, do not answer that
 * Untrained facilitators will often observe that answers seem to point towards classical answers such as not enough time, not enough investments, or not enough manpower. These answers may be true, but they are out of our control. Therefore, instead of asking the question why?, ask why did the process fail?


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * We write things as we go and progress in the maps, thing is, the information can be so abundant that we still get one hell of a scroll hell, despite all efforts to cull and clip. Just recently the bloody Combat page finally got split into smaller sections and even then, it is still pretty damn long


 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * so why did all efforts to cull and clip fail?


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * Because the information is inherently long
 * instead out outright failing, you just dont get the ideal result


 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * before you ask "abundant information", "write as we go" are not controllable


 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * do not backtracking


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * Indeed they are not, but you can mitigate them


 * Re_nicky_008 - 07/07/2016
 * the information is long but we have tools to manage them


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * If you've been through academic writing, i'm sure you know what I mean by Condensing techniques. We are simply condensing them here


 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * stop, I only ask "why did the culling efforts fail"


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * Because you cannot cull it lest you lose information


 * Re_nicky_008 - 07/07/2016
 * that's why we should have the ruleset


 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * so why didn't we have a ruleset?


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * Because we are not a juridical institution. We are combatants in a field of unknowns. We adapt as we go. Instead of trying to come up with a predefined set of rules on how to engage unknowns :V


 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * McDerp's answers are not useful...the fact that we're not a juridicial institution is beyond our control. Let's answer something that we can control

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 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * and we still have 2 more whys to ask
 * let's recognize that our culling process is lackluster and not the event layout then move on so I ask again, "why did our culling efforts fail?"


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * objection, our culling efforts did not fail, they were just not optimal. But if you wish to ask why it failed, assuming it did, then it is lack of staffing in the culling department


 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * objection overruled


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * in any case, my answer is: We did not have anyone assigned the responsibility of culling said pages and their contents. Mostly we operated as vigilantes


 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * why is there a lack of staffing in the culling department?


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * if we happened to be bored out of our asses due to salt, we might go and scroll, then question what is written there. Because I was a shit project manager and did not notice to assign anyone to the culling department sans myself
 * am I prostrating hard enough yet


 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * people do not fail, process do, try another answer


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * No other answer
 * This is the truth take it or leave it :V


 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * "A key phrase to keep in mind in any 5 Why exercise is "people do not fail, processes do"."


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * 5 Why exercise is outdated and too rigid. Any attempt to try and explain the chaos of life will summarily be screwed all over in the end. What we know today might change tomorrow


 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * such attempts are summarily called "SCIENCE"


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * In any case, you got your answer to why the culling process didnt work
 * Yeah, well, "science" once claimed that the Earth was flat by "Scientists" wearing a pope hat and a stick


 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * no, science didn't claim that. The church did


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * Oh, and it also made a scientist rescind his words on it


 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * scientists are hung because of it


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * and then proclaim the earth being flat


 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * very pragmatic of him


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * also, "scientists" declared that shellshock's only treatment is a shot in the head


 * CD "Skadi" - 07/07/2016
 * just say pope promote derp as scientist and then everything church says are facts, science


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * among anothers, but whatever
 * Just demote me
 * i dont care anymorreee, its 0700


 * CD "Skadi" - 07/07/2016
 * go to sleep


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * Not when there is still 1 or 2 more whys


 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * yeah, there's still one last why. Actually, two...


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * Cyka blyat


 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * the 4th why is "Why is there a lack of staffing in culling department?"


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * I already answered, I did not assign anyone there


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * simple as that, an honest mistake, and oversight. I'm sure you now and then accidentally trip since you didnt look in front when you walked. And to highlight an excuse for my incompetence, this is my first time being part of staff during an event. I'm starting to talk like a Kobold
 * anyway, reasonable enough explanation?


 * Re_nicky_008 - 07/07/2016
 * > Why is there a lack of staffing in culling department?
 * - too many freelance staffs
 * - laziness
 * - noobs
 * - staffs are sleepy
 * - staff are going to sleep


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * dont forget
 * - staff is being rekt in the ass by salt


 * Re_nicky_008 - 07/07/2016
 * yep


 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * okay, I'll take those answers


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * Thanks Nicky


 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * hang on, we can't fix people freelance status, or sleepiness, or procrastination...


 * CD "Skadi" - 07/07/2016
 * still as a player, there are staff soaked by salt during event and cannot patrol wiki like normal days


 * Re_nicky_008 - 07/07/2016
 * it's OK, Mc


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * Nope, we cant, we have to understand and be compassionate. Even you needed a time out for your own project, thus we did not enforce or impose upon you to come here and work with us


 * CD "Skadi" - 07/07/2016
 * thats why i want to promote some users before next event


 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * actually, I'll take CDRW's explanation. Ergo, we're understaffed and we need a smaller workload for each staff member :v


 * CD "Skadi" - 07/07/2016
 * why not finding more hands that willing to help and you dont need to pay a bucks or lost a hair


 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * so the last why should be "why aren't we hiring more people?" but I can tell it's a quality and trust issue...


 * McDerp - 07/07/2016
 * Because you don't want /liabilities/ so yes, trust and quality


 * CD "Skadi" - 07/07/2016
 * fuji i think most of them are common face in our community and we know their personality except some discussion mod...


 * Fujihita - 07/07/2016
 * another way of attack we can do is to hire nolifers who can...play the event for some of our staff members. I can recommend two...

After 2 hours and a half wasted on conducting 5-whys--more time wasted on why it must be done--we finally reach an agreement. And then three weeks later, we still get back to wasting time of fixing the event layout. Needless to say, I'm upset to see this thread even exists.