Board Thread:Wikia Discussion/@comment-25494824-20150701073939/@comment-25494824-20150702001446

Comment System
In order to keep pages cleaner and also load faster, direct commenting on an article will be removed. However, this does not mean there will be no way to leave one. Each page has something called a "Talk Page" where people can discuss topics related to that page. For example, http://en.kancollewiki.net/wiki/Kancolle_Wiki has a talk page at http://en.kancollewiki.net/wiki/Talk:Kancolle_Wiki. As for CG updates and the like, what I was thinking of doing was creating a new subpage under the Game Updates page for every new update that comes along. Like this page (http://en.kancollewiki.net/wiki/Game_Updates/2015/May_29th).

Anon Editing
To ensure protection against spammers and vandalism, anonymous accounts will not be able to edit pages and content. Speaking more on that front, it doesn't take long to actually create an account.

The forums and blogging system is still a work in progress and I will have a definitive answer at a later date.

Registration
Registration is done by a filtered process where an account is requested, then we approve the account so that it becomes active. I know it's a hassle when you could be just editing anonymously, but we've had spammers create over 6 accounts at once in the past, so in order to protect pages from such actions, this is a must. When you sign up for an account, you will be asked for a username and email address. A simple question will also be asked in order to prove that the account maker is not an automated bot that is used for spamming. Once the account has been requested our staff will then approve your account, and our mailing system will send you your temporary password, which you can change later. When we first imported over content from wikia, we also copied your profile pages as well, so as long as you use the same account name you have here on wikia your user profile information should automatically shift over. Avatars cannot be carried over due to the differences in the core extensions installed on the wikis, but you can add a new avatar, as that feature is retained. In the future a solution to gaining avatars may be looked for.

Other Replies
And what of the large-scale improvements going on right now? I have the Quests page revamp underway right now, and we have the Lua implementation going on as well. I'm honestly afraid of that work being lost for nothing. Such large projects will not be abandoned and will be moved over. This is a community project, and the work that people like SmokeyTheButt and Ckwng provide is absolutely essential in order to keep this project alive. If we don't have a comments section or forums then where is the interaction between players? Well pointed out. As stated above, we are still working on the forums and blogging, but for comments one can use the talk pages to communicate and discuss topics. Last point but, is there any work being made on spicing up the look of the site? At the moment, it's not entirely exciting to look at. Presentation of information is important, but for now it's a little low on priorities as the amount of people that can beautify the pages are limited.

I think senior members of the community as well as a poll should be conducted to gauge the feelings of the community. A poll would not be the best choice of action in this situation as they can be misinterpreted by others depending on how you view the poll, which in turn can lead to conflicts between users with different opinions. Another issue I would like addressed is who is in charge of the new wiki. Please clarifiy the relatioship with himeuta in detail as well. Many changes have been conducted since you split a while ago and how exactly are those going to be incorporated as well as differnces in opinion and editting wars. Who is in charge? Generally speaking the founders and administrators would do maintenance and look over the operation of the wiki. Like how people look to a founder or bureaucrat here, they would be in charge. As for the relationship with himeuta, it's not entirely clear at this point. Communication with the owner of himeuta, Saya, has been little to none due to her being away for a while and just coming back. Discussions will be held and I'll have a final answer from the other members of the team when they yield results.

I realize that many changes have occurred, just looking at the Recent Changes page. Merging this will have to be done through a discussion between the editors involved, about what will stay and what will change. One thing that concerns me is how arbitrarily things were done the last time. I find that it is important to work together on a wiki rather than leaving things at the sole discretion of a few people. What things were done arbitrarily? I'm all ears for working together, and I think I tried to do that last time as much as possible. I admit I did ask people to move much too quickly, but now this is not the case. You mention "sole discretion of a few people", but I don't understand exactly what you mean. What is under the control of a minor group? Payments? Maintenance? It's the same here or at any wiki. Unless I misunderstood you. How are the finances going to be handled? Currently the new team is paying for everything from the CDN to server maintenance fees, but moving to a donation based payment system is what we're aiming for, so that longevity of the wiki is assured.

King901 is right. However smooth a site migration might be, it'll only confuse us if we aren't adequately informed of the reasons for moving the wiki site elsewhere.

You said some of the actions done by Wikia could negatively impact the community, but the site migration has a significant impact to us as we surf this website pretty much everyday. At any rate, this discussion would be going nowhere you didn't adequately explain the reason behind the migration. well honestly ppl are here to get info on kancolle related stuff and discuss kancolle related stuff and thats why i am asking why are we supposed to move again? yes perhaps we would have place to call our own BUT there is big chance like half of ppl will stay here which reduces size of community which os counterproductive to point of this wiki This second transition attempt (to be the third) is to see to it that everyone stays as one community - All we're trying to do is make sure the wiki stays alive and has much more freedom in the future. If potentially tied to any problems, wikia will drop Kancolle Wikia without a second thought. A company will not keep an asset that is a liability, no matter how much money it earns them. With our own place any problems that may arise can be solved with greater flexibility. The biggest and most important reason a new site was ever created in the first place was to ensure that Kancolle Wiki would remain on the web for as long as Kantai Collection exists. We have been up at times when Wikia was down - server uptime is also assured through the use of a Content Delivery Network service called CloudFlare, which keeps a copy of the website up and running if the server for any reason decides to go down.

you know full well how hectic it gets during event and that first few days if you want to know something your best chance is to read comments from shitload of ppl also doing event I do realize that, but there is no difference between a discussion page and a comment page. The only difference is that a comments extension makes the page look nicer, and the comments are inside the same page as the actual article. If people wanted to immediately begin posting say, map routes, compositions, or LoS requirements, they could do so on a discussion page. Some features that emulate the comments or threads for example is an extension such as https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Flow. It also uses dependencies like https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Echo to send you notifications, in a fashion similar to wikia. An optional addon is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Thanks, which is similar to the Kudos function on current wikia comments and threads. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CLDR leaves timestamps on your posts, just like it would when you post something on wikia. For more information on what Flow is, see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Flow.

This may address the needs of forums and comments as a community, but requires further discussion for implementation and usage.