Board Thread:Off Topic/@comment-25730832-20160122165904/@comment-24980562-20160125003822

Okay, since this thread devolved into yet another shitfest, allow me to throw in my two pennies worth:

Agree. Also be a man/woman an stop using viewers. Plain basic browser all the way. That's not up to you to decide.

Why? Is it too hard for you to manage timers? With Windows 10 is even easier. Why should I when viewers like KCV or KC3 do exactly the same? If I'm going to use timers anyway why do it manually when programs exist that do it automatically? As Fackifiknow already pointed out, the end result is the same. What's the difference then? The answer is there is none.

If they want to cheat their way to know the exact time fatigue recovers or live in the ignorance of actually trying to recognize some moon runes for a culture they like the most as spoiled brats is their own fault. Uh-oh, someone's trying to take the moral high ground here. This argument already falls apart by itself. First of all, where does it say that knowing the exact time to fatigue recovery is cheating? People have figured that game mechanic out a long time ago, so all you'd have to do is use a timer like you're doing for expeditions, repairs etc. Or just use a viewer that does it for you. Once again the end result is the same. The argument about moonrunes and culture is just meaningless bullshit. The first viewers/tools were made by Japanese developers so that Japanese players have an easier time playing the game because let's face it, it's overall interface design is a horrible mess. It speaks for itself that simple features like Drag 'n Drop or Presets that'd be par of the course in any other game literally took years to be implemented. But I digress.

Just like those dependable on calculators only because they forgot how to do multiplications and divisions on paper. Says the guy who uses external tools - in this case, timers - in order to keep track of repairs, expeditions etc. Hypocrisy much?

As for me I prefer to have control of what to install. Unknown precedence third party software attachable to your browser is a big no, that's how I live without the need of real time antivirus. Fine with me, but forcing your mindset on other people just makes you a self-righteous asshole.

Also, I would prefer to reduce risks of getting banned (very low even with viewers so far) or end up like that Japanese guy who sunk their Kaga through an event because who knows what viewer or packet filter he used to create the bug. Oh boy, here we go again... It feels I've written this paragraph a gazillion times, but... Viewers like KCV or KC3 can't get you banned they're undetectable, the devs literally don't know that you're using them. How, you may ask? Simple. All they do is reading the data traffic between game client and server, and display the information in a readable manner. Heck, you could do the same by just opening your browser console, except have fun making sense all those API calls. Emphasis on "reading"; these viewers only look at the data, they don't "touch" it, therefore leaving no traces. This consequently means that since they're not modifying the data in any way it's literally not possible to cheat because the viewers aren't actually doing anything by themselves. They're just passively reading the data traffic and display it, nothing more. And regarding your story about that Japanese guy or whatever, I'll just preemptively call bullshit. If you want anyone to believe it, provide sources. Not that it would matter because even if said players explained their circumstances it wouldn't mean much since they could be either lying or whitewashing the facts in order to make themselves look better. In any case, using such a generic example without citation doesn't prove anything and just reflects badly on you and your argument.

You are free to accept your lose/lack of arguments and call it "dumber" even when you started it. I'm out too, but unlike Fackifiknow without any intent of trolling as (s)he does. Uhm, last time I checked you started the whole argument by prompting people to stop using viewers if they're man/woman enough or whatever. And you kept going. Oh, and we're already calling people trolls? Well, shows how weak your argument was to begin with.

Do you see the flashing icon next to your fleet number selection? Yes, that's how developers intend you to know morale recovering without cheating using third party software. Well, here comes the obvious question. How do you know what the developers' intentions are? Do you know them personally? I doubt it. Not that it would matter because your notion that the devs' intentions are the be-all and end-all is fallacious from the start. Games aren't just about the the creators intended, but also what the players make with them or how they do it. If the players do stuff the devs don't want they'll patch. If they do stuff the devs didn't intended but which might actually add to the gaming experience they'll try to implement directly. If you want a relevant example, just take a look at KanColle itself. Several features like displaying the number of ships & buckets in the top bar of the main menu, being able to sort equipment according to certain parameters etc. are all features that viewers had long before they appeared in the game itself but proved popular enough to be implemented for real. Not to mention all the wikis about this game, which technically speaking are external "tool" the devs never intended but which you use to play the game anyway. Why not stop using them as well? And speaking of viewers, some of them also had functions like displaying enemy patterns before entering combat or showing you where the compass is going to send you before you even spin. Functions even I would feel inclined to call cheating. But guess what. The devs patched the game code so that you can't "look into the future" anymore, while leaving basic stuff like morale intact. The devs could technically obscure pretty much everything so that viewers would be completely useless. Except they don't. They know about viewers but simply don't mind them because they don't provide a significant advantage over vanilla users by messing with game files or API calls, they're mainly just a convenience. Nice to have but not mandatory. They enhance the game experience, no matter how you look at it. Now that I've dissected your arguments, back to you. When I read your posts I don't see someone who wants to prevent people from getting banned or whatever. I see a self-righteous, elitist dickbag who thinks he's special and better than the others because he can play the game without "cheating", where cheating is basically just an arbitrarily defined category no one else agrees one but you try to force it on others anyway. Playing without any third-party software is all fine and dandy. If that's how you do you it, fine. But taking the high moral ground by deriding everyone else who doesn't adhere to your "one true" playstyle isn't something it take kindly to. Furthermore, you're not even being consistent about it. You claim viewers like KCV or KC3 are bad, but using timers and whatnot that ultimately do the same thing are okay. Double standard much?

And with that out of the way I give you two options. Either you drop this subject, not just in this thread but the entire wiki, respect the way other people the game and just go on with your life, or you can keep pestering people and look forward to a permanent ban. Your choice.