Board Thread:Game Updates/@comment-3502824-20180328015558/@comment-2605:6001:F447:8400:D8E3:DC8F:8229:C1D8-20180410012339

Vcharng wrote: 129.115.3.100 wrote:

Vcharng wrote: Tsubakura wrote: With that said, one of the 2 can happen with the new Taffy III Destroyer Escort release: 1. is flatly impossible. Kaiboukans are dictated to be unable to fit torpedoes, but Sammy B did (historically) and will (in-game) have torpedoes. That's why a change is imminent in order to vacate the DE designation before Sammy B is introduced, so that the two definitions of DE does not collide chronologically and cause confusion.
 * 1) The new ship released is an "Escort", thus placing it in the same category as the Kaiboukans. In this case, all we have to do is rename the category "Coastal Defense Ship" to "Escort". No big deal.
 * 2) The new ship released is a "Destroyer Escort", which is a complete new category and API value. We obviously can't have 2 categories that are both DE, so you guys will have to admit that I was right all along a year ago and we will decide on a new proper classification. Also, I'm not going with PF for obvious reasons.

I don't know what your "obvious reason" against PF is, but I have a more obvious reason for it: Kaiboukans WERE INDEED reclassified as PF after the war. For example Tsushima became ROCS Lin An (PF-77). This is far more powerful a proof now than in the previous Kaiboukan designation war, as now we DO have Tsushima introduced. The first class of DE did not have torpedoes. Torpedoes were an early war preference but not exactly a requirement. Not to mention all of them took off the torpedoes off by 1945. Not to mention if you think something with two guns and a set of triple tubes can be classified as a destroyer then you are out of your mind. You could say that the torpedo tubes took the place of the third gun.

USN Destroyer Escorts, Japanese Kaiboukans, and British frigates(which were just as large as USN Destroyer escorts but like Kaiboukan did not carry torpedoes) were all various escort ships that each respective nation developed based on what they thought they needed for escort. So Samuel B. Roberts might be a little more capable at night battle than any of the other escorts, so what? Her night battle power will still be much lower than any of the Akizuki class or Kamikaze class not to mention any of the other destroyers. "if you think something with two guns and a set of triple tubes can be classified as a destroyer then you are out of your mind." Do you know about the existence of the Matsu class? two guns (one double barrel, one single) and a quad tube with no reserves.

The RN eqivalent for KBs are not frigates, but corvettes (flower-class), both of which are significantly smaller than DEs of the same period, and doesn't carry torpedoes (making them exempt from, if any, applicable naval treaties) Matsu class had 3 guns and one quadruple tube plus were seen as fast enough for actual fleet operations(which is why they were at Cape Engano). As a downside they had a rather pitiful Anti-submarine warfare loadout in comparison to the escort ships of any nation.