Board Thread:Off Topic/@comment-25730832-20160122165904/@comment-1915363-20160407123533

72.145.245.132 wrote: Ar-cen-ciel wrote: But it's true that Yukikaze had indeed gone through casualties that made the Iowa-class's tragedy records looks like petty setbacks in comparison, so this is hardly a valid example, unless if you count hyperpole as highly seditious remarks.

That; that is the problem. You're trivializing the actions of ship based on the nation it comes from. I'm not suggesting that Yukikaze doesn't deserve her luck stat, but are you really suggesting that Iowa was in less danger than Yukikaze? The Essex class carriers were released at around the same time as the Iowas and had much of the same technology built in and many of them routinely had to retreat because of damage caused by bombing runs and kamikaze attacks. It was almost a miracle that Bunker Hill and Franklin managed to limp home, and Princeton and dozens of destroyers weren't so lucky. I'd say it's pretty lucky that Iowa managed to get through that relatively unscathed, especially considering that in her role of carrier escort, she was often in front of the carriers and as a capital ship was a prime target.

That's what so problematic; there's this automatic assumption that because the ship is from the side that won the war, they won't appreciate it as much, and so will treat the IJN ships like crap and act like dicks, or alternatively, the assumption that anything positive said about a US ship, either by a fan or the ship itself, is gloating. Also, "gloating" =/= "be proud of their accomplishments". Albacore managed to sink Taihou with a defective firing computer; that's something to be proud of and something she should mention and fans should be allowed to point out without being accused of being some US fanboy. That's exactly what Iku and Imuya do already, so to treat Albacore differently would be hypocrisy.

Sure those people who think America is infallible exist, but the Eaglelanders that post in this thread and others like it (those that aren't joking or trolling because they know it will cause a shitstorm like this) likely don't appreciate the war because they didn't participate, but the ships themselves, assuming the character designer does a modicum of research, should. And as I've pointed out, the people who do the same chest-thumping for the other side also exist, but assuming that everyone that says anything good about a US ship to the detriment of a Japanese ship or vice versa is not fair.

Assuming that the US ships will be mean-spirited or insensitive isn't fair, not letting them be proud of their accomplishments to Japan's detriment while letting the Japanese ships be proud of theirs to America's (and vice versa: if the IJN ships are going to continually lament Yamato's sinking or their losses at Midway, as they should because they were tragic, then the US ships should be allowed to lament Pearl Harbor or the British Prince of Wales and Hood, which were just as tragic) isn't fair, assuming that their mere presence will cause the game to collapse isn't fair, and decrying US or British ships and their supporters in general while celebrating the Japanese or Germans or Italians and theirs isn't fair. Now that you explained it better, I now see your point. That said, I'm not gonna erase that post or anything though, since that one wasn't blatant enough to be pulled out. The least I could do is to paragraph your long, long comment about this. It's hard to see the head and tail of your explaination otherwise.

Now, the pride of USN shipgirl's accomplishments (assuming that they does exist) does quite often come at the expense of IJN shipgirls. However polite Enterprise could try to be to take pride of their accomplishment, it is nevertheless entirely possible for IJN shipgirls, or their Admiral to take offense on that one for whatever reason. The same goes for IJN shipgirl's accomplishments but USN shipgirls weren't even here until recently, and thus went unchecked for years, to the point the some fanbase began to take the easy assumption that Abyssals=USN until recently. So it's a case of the fandom didn't really know the USN well enough to defend their standpoint.

72.145.245.132 wrote: When I said "this thread", I was trying to imply "this fandom" without throwing the much larger number of people who couldn't care less under the bus. I previously said that the devs haven't done much to avoid the Abyssals=USN implication, but they have done something, which means that they actually care enough to bother changing it, however little it may be, enough to avoid an undefendable implication. That means the game itself nor the devs are the problem; the problem are the minority of fans that try to think up reasons to be upset that the USN or RN are being introduced. That this thread exists at all is proof enough of my point. As others have pointed out, it's a damn game, not a documentary, so why should this matter at all? Should've explained this from the start. Which also means that the hypocrisy you had mentioned extends beyond this thread. There really weren't as many people in this fanbase who knew USN's history well enough to defend their standpoint without making themselves look bad, which resulted in this hypocrisy in the first place.