Talk:General Discussion/@comment-25189003-20140901021544/@comment-24332640-20140901234507

I use two prototype Seirans and two 634 air group Zuiuns for 1-5, both of which have better ASW than standard Zuiuns. Then my Hyuuga or Ise can actually do decent damage to subs. But otherwise, yeah, they feel pretty useless.

Sometimes I'll use the 634 Zuiuns for a tiny extra bit of air-to-air, but really their impact is so small it's pretty rare that it will make a difference.