Board Thread:Event Community Discussion/@comment-28069733-20170521154728/@comment-26574811-20170524113202

Unaccepted wrote: Vcharng wrote: Hyper Shinchan wrote:

A similar risk existed even with PF but it was limited to the implementation of Patrol Frigates (Rivers and Tacomas) as their own typology. Even if this happens, confusing foreign PF with Kaiboukan is still less troublesome, as they are at least much more similar than DEs. This is just flat wrong. DE perfectly describes the role of the Kaikouban : Escort ships capable of near 20 knots and open ocean endurance to protect convoys of unarmed ships,  when using the USN classification system. Post war the name even changed from DE(Destroyer Escort) to DE(Ocean Escort).

There was only a single class of ships classified as PF, the Tacoma-class. USN PF where meant to be longer ranged version of DE, but where immediatley discontinued after the Tacoma-class because they where decidedly inferior to the shorter ranged and often smaller DE-classified ships. The USN also completely abandoned the Firgate classification until the early 1970s when they started building guided missile frigates. You should just re-learn everything you thought you know about ship classification.

DE doe NOT describe ANY of the traits of a Kaiboukan. Kaiboukans can't carry torps, remember? But a DE (4 out of 5 USN classes, and their most similar Japanese counterpart, the Matsu-class) should be able to.

Kaiboukan is NOT a fucking convoy escort ship, they are built as fishing PATROLs. It's just because Japan was unable to afford building genuine convoy escorts, so they brought their patrol boats to do the job.

"only a single class classified as PF, the tacoma class"

WRONG. it followed the River class frigate of the RN, known as Asheville-class in USN.

Also PF is defined as "a frigate similar to RN corvettes" which means in theory the Flower-class of the RN (known as the Temptress-class in USN) should be a PF as well. However, since the USN used the Temptress-class a bit differently from RN, they are designated as PG (Patrol Gunboat) instead. BTW, the Asheville and the Tacoma was once designated as PG as well, which tells us there was not such a big difference between PG and PF. They are at least more similar to each other than to DEs.

"b ut where immediatley discontinued after the Tacoma-class because they where decidedly inferior to the shorter ranged and often smaller DE-classified ships "

Range is a handy thing for USN and RN already.

Finally, USS Tacoma through Everett (PF-3 through 8) were transferred (among some others) to the Soviet Navy after the war, known as EK-11 through 16; Shimushu was also transferred to the Soviet Navy, known as EK-31. In other words, the Soviet Navy agrees that Kaiboukans are the same as American PFs.

Meanwhile, the Republic of China Navy (more often known as Taiwan Navy) received some #1-class Kaiboukans after the war, too ,they are, Kaiboukans #67, #81, #85, #107, #205 and #215. Four out of the six survived the fall of Mainland China, and became known as PF-73 through 76. In other words, the ROCN also agrees that Kaiboukan is PF.

So we have two navies, one received both American PFs and Japanese Kaiboukans, the other received Kaiboukans and has always been using the American classification system, both agree that Kaiboukan = PF.