Board Thread:Wikia Discussion/@comment-25683568-20150318062713/@comment-25606292-20150621021544

>On the topic of Redundancy

I assumed you weren't actually going to do it, I was just baffled by the suggestion and stating exactly why that wouldn't do for an official name. Also, I wasn't pointing out the Redundancy so that you could change it, I was pointing it out as an example of how the names could be shortened without making the name lose it's meaning. I apologize if I seem to have implied otherwise, I have a dreadful habit of being too direct with what I say.

>On the topic of Radar

It took me a long time to understand exactly what your problem actually was on the topic of Radars, but I think I've gotten it. The problem you seem to be facing on this issue has nothing to do with your own translation, but Wikipedia's Translation. Or rather Wikipedia's inconsistant translation. There is a reason why attempting to cite 'Wikipedia' as a source in any serious work will get you docked points, wikipedia is utterly unreliable and you've just experienced why.

If I understand this correctly, you are looking for another word to replace the word Type with in the names of the Radars because the Radars already have a Type. It took me a good long while to realize the the problem was simply that the Kanji (式) had a hidden meaning that can't be translated very well as a single word. Wikipedia translates it in the context of Radar as just Type, but Wikipedia in fact makes reference to a far better translation of that elsewhere on it's own wiki. They shortened it there, and that is providing you drastic problems as a result as it's being taken at face value.

If I'm understanding this right, the hidden meaning of 式 is that it's use implies that the the number provided corresponds to the year of design and is hence not arbitrary, necessitating the use of a different Kanji to denote more arbitrarily numbered things (like the Radars). This would not be properly translated as just Type as Type fails to convey this implied meaning. Rather, a more correct translation, which Wikipedia itself uses elsewhere, would probably be 'Xth Year Type.' Without the added word, you're missing the implied meaning making it seem like 式 and 号 have the exact same meaning, which they actually do not.

In other words, you're going about this the wrong way. Rather than renaming the Radars, which DO have their proper meaning conveyed, what you should be doing is renaming every item that uses the kanji 式 to convey the proper meaning of that Kanji. The use of 号 is correctly translated in it's every use on this wiki, it's just that it has two translations, but this wiki uses the imprecise translation of 式 everywhere else, causing the two issues to clash when both are involved.

I mean, if anyone cared about whether you can search up the name and actually find any relevent off-site information on the historical implement in the first place then Hi-Type would never have been renamed Bi-Type. But that's another issue entirely...